If Obamacare is so good why is the federal government exempt?

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As the title says.
Why is federal government exempt if it's such a good idea?

[Prokne]

Because the federal government already has healthcare? Obamacare doesnt provide healthcare, it makes it cheaper for low income people and forces insurance companies to insure people they normally wouldnt along with some other regulations.

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Because the federal government already has healthcare? Obamacare doesnt provide healthcare, it makes it cheaper for low income people and forces insurance companies to insure people they normally wouldnt along with some other regulations.

Basically this.

@OP Did you actually think before trying to bash obamacare?

Since I'm german and we have universal healthcare for years, I don`t really get what the problem with obamacare is.

[Flatspriest]

Because the federal government already has healthcare? Obamacare doesnt provide healthcare, it makes it cheaper for low income people and forces insurance companies to insure people they normally wouldnt along with some other regulations.

This would be true if the government would have placed a freeze on insurance rates to start with when Obamacare was first announced. Instead, they allowed the insurance companies to raise their rates drastically to where it is actually much more expensive now to get insurance than it was before Obamacare.

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Basically this.

@OP Did you actually think before trying to bash obamacare?

Since I'm german and we have universal healthcare for years, I don`t really get what the problem with obamacare is.

they don't mind that their taxes are being spent overseas, but when it is involving healthcare for americans - oh boy, a shit storm be brewin.

I too live in a european country with a universal healthcare, it gives a certain good feel about your taxes being well spent.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Basically this.

@OP Did you actually think before trying to bash obamacare?

Since I'm german and we have universal healthcare for years, I don`t really get what the problem with obamacare is.

Because it's FORCING people to not choose to want to live with crippling health care bills/debilitating diseases!

Duh, I mean who would actually want to go through with a surgery/treatment that would save your life or prevent you from being disabled for the rest of your life?

[Payday]

IIRC Congress was originally required to participate in the ACA, but after they realized this they cried about it (brain drain) and got their cushy healthcare back. And that dirty scoundrel Obama gave it back to them.

"[T]hey can make no law which will not have its full operation on themselves and their friends, as well as on the great mass of the society."

-Federalist No.57

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This would be true if the government would have placed a freeze on insurance rates to start with when Obamacare was first announced. Instead, they allowed the insurance companies to raise their rates drastically to where it is actually much more expensive now to get insurance than it was before Obamacare.

what? rofl

most fucked up implementation possible

i saw on one of the latest daily shows that the fine for not providing healthcare is 2.000$ while providing them would be something about 10.000$ per employee

if that´s true, talk about stupidity

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This would be true if the government would have placed a freeze on insurance rates to start with when Obamacare was first announced. Instead, they allowed the insurance companies to raise their rates drastically to where it is actually much more expensive now to get insurance than it was before Obamacare.

They placed a 20% cap on profits, and anything over that must go back to the consumer somehow.

[Flame6]

They placed a 20% cap on profits, and anything over that must go back to the consumer somehow.

This happened to a company in California semi-recently. They're just sending them a refund.

[Masark]

This would be true if the government would have placed a freeze on insurance rates to start with when Obamacare was first announced. Instead, they allowed the insurance companies to raise their rates drastically to where it is actually much more expensive now to get insurance than it was before Obamacare.

They did cap it, though in a rather indirect manner. 80% of revenue from premiums must be paid out in medical services, otherwise they have to send out rebates of the difference.

Also, the federal government is not exempt. Members of Congress and their staffs have to buy exchange plans, and 72% of that cost is paid for them under the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program.

Federal employees who aren't congressional staffers continue as is.

[Kellhound]

They placed a 20% cap on profits, and anything over that must go back to the consumer somehow.

Is that profit before or after giving the execs huge bonuses and pay increases, political contributions, etc....

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Since I'm german and we have universal healthcare for years, I don`t really get what the problem with obamacare is.

Based on good intentions but badly executed as far as I know.

[Spectral]

Why is federal government exempt if it's such a good idea?

It's not. You're misinformed.

[Rukentuts]

As the title says.
Why is federal government exempt if it's such a good idea?

Because they aren't. You bought into another lie.

[Felya]

Is that profit before or after giving the execs huge bonuses and pay increases, political contributions, etc....

No, only administrative costs and profits are capped. CEOs can still get any bonus their share holders permit and corporations still can contribute politically, just like people.

[Kellhound]

No, only administrative costs and profits are capped. CEOs can still get any bonus their share holders permit and corporations still can contribute politically, just like people.

So to increase their profits they just need to increase the cost of health care? Seems like an idea that could never lead to issues...

[Felya]

So to increase their profits they just need to increase the cost of health care? Seems like an idea that could never lead to issues...

No, money that goes to lobbying and CEOs is a company cost, not profit. Profit is what comes after subtracting salaries, including CEO's salary.

[ptwonline]

So to increase their profits they just need to increase the cost of health care? Seems like an idea that could never lead to issues...

How do you think they increased their profits before? They raised the prices. Why do you think health care is so expensive in the US?

Now there is going to be more actual competition, and unless companies (illegally) collude together to fix prices, there should be a price drop as people shop around for a better deal.

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As the title says.
Why is federal government exempt if it's such a good idea?

Large employers are supposed to give their employees health care insurance. The federal government is a large employer.

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Because they aren't. You bought into another lie.

Paul’s proposal — outlawing any special exemptions for government employees — would mean all federal workers would have to purchase health insurance on the new Obamacare exchanges instead of getting taxpayer-funded subsidies. Some critics say those subsidies amount to special treatment. The Obamacare health insurance exchange opens Oct 1.

“My amendment says basically that everybody including Justice Roberts — who seems to be such a fan of Obamacare — gets it too,” Paul told TheDC by phone on Sunday from Mackinac Island in Michigan, where he won a straw poll of potential Republican candidates for president in 2016.