4P Bonus and Thrill of the Hunt

[sultangurde]

Guys, luckily i put my fingers on 4P hunter bonus and today i started to do some femaledwarf simming.
Here is what i found for Survival Spec.

Survival Spec with Dire Beast - 282137.95
Survival Spec with Thrill of The Hunt - 284605.51

Current ilvl 557, reforge Crit>Haste>Mastery.

Looks like with 4P Survival is changing into (proc spam spec).
Here is a part of Simulated Shot Breakdown:

169.035 Black Arrow 1.037 170.072 186.553 72.55 37.55 SpS, BA, RF, LnL 184.016 8.138 35
170.072 Explosive Shot 1.037 171.109 171.109 45.99 45.99 SpS, BA, RF, LnL 184.016 8.138 0
171.109 Explosive Shot 1.037 172.146 172.146 54.43 54.43 SpS, BA, RF, LnL 184.016 8.138 0
172.146 Explosive Shot 1.037 173.183 173.183 62.87 62.87 SpS, BA, RF, LnL 184.016 8.138 0
173.183 Explosive Shot 1.037 174.22 174.22 71.31 71.31 SpS, BA, RF 184.016 8.138 0
174.22 Explosive Shot 1.037 175.257 180.22 79.75 54.75 SpS, BA, RF 184.016 8.138 25
175.257 Glaive Toss 1.037 176.294 190.257 63.19 48.19 SpS, BA, RF 184.016 8.138 15
176.294 Arcane Shot 1.037 177.331 177.331 56.63 46.63 SpS, BA, RF 184.016 8.138 10
177.331 Arcane Shot 1.037 178.368 178.368 55.07 45.07 SpS, BA, RF 184.016 8.138 10
178.368 Arcane Shot 1.037 179.405 179.405 52.47 42.47 SpS, BA 184.016 6.099 10

Also with Thrill of the Hunt 2P and 4P bonuses are worth a lot of dps.

Aimed Shot, Arcane Shot and Multi-shot reduce the cooldown of Rapid Fire by 8 seconds per cast for SV and 4 seconds per cast for BM/MM (Battlegear of the Unblinking Vigil 2pc bonus) - 11717.05 DPS

Explosive Shot casts have a 40% chance to not consume a charge of Lock and Load. Instant Aimed shots reduce the cast time of your next Aimed Shot by 50%. Offensive abilities used during Bestial Wrath increase all damage you deal by 4% and all damage dealt by your pet by 2%, stacking up to 5 times (Battlegear of the Unblinking Vigil 4pc bonus) - 9951.66 DPS

Any thoughts?

[Deleted]

Guys, luckily i put my fingers on 4P hunter bonus and today i started to do some femaledwarf simming.
Here is what i found for Survival Spec.

Survival Spec with Dire Beast - 282137.95
Survival Spec with Thrill of The Hunt - 284605.51

Current ilvl 557, reforge Crit>Haste>Mastery.

Looks like with 4P Survival is changing into (proc spam spec).
Here is a part of Simulated Shot Breakdown:

169.035 Black Arrow 1.037 170.072 186.553 72.55 37.55 SpS, BA, RF, LnL 184.016 8.138 35
170.072 Explosive Shot 1.037 171.109 171.109 45.99 45.99 SpS, BA, RF, LnL 184.016 8.138 0
171.109 Explosive Shot 1.037 172.146 172.146 54.43 54.43 SpS, BA, RF, LnL 184.016 8.138 0
172.146 Explosive Shot 1.037 173.183 173.183 62.87 62.87 SpS, BA, RF, LnL 184.016 8.138 0
173.183 Explosive Shot 1.037 174.22 174.22 71.31 71.31 SpS, BA, RF 184.016 8.138 0
174.22 Explosive Shot 1.037 175.257 180.22 79.75 54.75 SpS, BA, RF 184.016 8.138 25
175.257 Glaive Toss 1.037 176.294 190.257 63.19 48.19 SpS, BA, RF 184.016 8.138 15
176.294 Arcane Shot 1.037 177.331 177.331 56.63 46.63 SpS, BA, RF 184.016 8.138 10
177.331 Arcane Shot 1.037 178.368 178.368 55.07 45.07 SpS, BA, RF 184.016 8.138 10
178.368 Arcane Shot 1.037 179.405 179.405 52.47 42.47 SpS, BA 184.016 6.099 10

Also with Thrill of the Hunt 2P and 4P bonuses are worth a lot of dps.

Aimed Shot, Arcane Shot and Multi-shot reduce the cooldown of Rapid Fire by 8 seconds per cast for SV and 4 seconds per cast for BM/MM (Battlegear of the Unblinking Vigil 2pc bonus) - 11717.05 DPS

Explosive Shot casts have a 40% chance to not consume a charge of Lock and Load. Instant Aimed shots reduce the cast time of your next Aimed Shot by 50%. Offensive abilities used during Bestial Wrath increase all damage you deal by 4% and all damage dealt by your pet by 2%, stacking up to 5 times (Battlegear of the Unblinking Vigil 4pc bonus) - 9951.66 DPS

Any thoughts?

its right and was already announced from players on the ptr ^^ the current highscore is 23 exploshots in a row with a reproc of lnl between them

[sultangurde]

its right and was already announced from players on the ptr ^^ the current highscore is 23 exploshots in a row with a reproc of lnl between them

Lucky streak

[Deleted]

its right and was already announced from players on the ptr ^^ the current highscore is 23 exploshots in a row with a reproc of lnl between them

holy shit.. i thought i was lucky when i could spam 8-9 ES on the PTR. Only need 1 more tier for 4p, can't wait!

[Deleted]

same here ^^

[Cyrops]

I'm sitting at 513ilvl, the 2pc bonus on FD is listed to give me 2349.15 DPS, in percentage its about 0.5% total DPS while yours is something like 0.2%
So 2pc bonus drops in effectiveness with 4 piece bonus :/

[sultangurde]

I'm sitting at 513ilvl, the 2pc bonus on FD is listed to give me 2349.15 DPS, in percentage its about 0.5% total DPS while yours is something like 0.2%
So 2pc bonus drops in effectiveness with 4 piece bonus :/

My calculations says my 2P bonus is around 4%, not 0,2%. Anyways yesterday lucky streak was 8 explosives shot in a row
I also realised, that when i am spamming arcane/explosive shots procs, i lose serpent sting on boss sometimes.

[Supakaiser]

Just hit 558 (almost 559) ilevel with 4p t16 and SV is simming almost 2k higher DPS single target over BM on FD.com

SV (DB, AMoC, GT) = 283338.41
BM (DB, BS, GT) = 281669.17
MM (DB, AMoC, GT) = 266237.51

Reforge: Crit>=Haste>>>>Mastery // @ReforgeLite: Crit(160), Haste(150), Mastery(120), Hit(200), Exp(200).

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...hekza/advanced

[Cyrops]

My calculations says my 2P bonus is around 4%, not 0,2%. Anyways yesterday lucky streak was 8 explosives shot in a row
I also realised, that when i am spamming arcane/explosive shots procs, i lose serpent sting on boss sometimes.

Ye my fail math D:
I also noticed when I get many LnL procs (I don't have 4pc bonus) my serpent sting falls off :<
Mm wouldn't it be better when you have a 4pc bonus and a lot of ES spam, to use Multishot to apply serpent or even renew it? Instead of using cobra shot with cast time.

[Supakaiser]

Another thing to note is that the AoC trinket is kinda bad for MM as it doesn't reduce the CD on any DPS abilities.

[sultangurde]

Ye my fail math D:
I also noticed when I get many LnL procs (I don't have 4pc bonus) my serpent sting falls off :<
Mm wouldn't it be better when you have a 4pc bonus and a lot of ES spam, to use Multishot to apply serpent or even renew it? Instead of using cobra shot with cast time.

Yea definetly it is better to use multishot during Thrill of the Hunt proc to renew serpent still that will drop for sure (1-2sec) or reapply new serpent sting on target.
I need to get that as habit.

Albo big queston about Black Arrow clipping. With Assurance of Concsequence trinket black arrow is ready to use, when there are still few sec left on target.
Should i :
a) be using it mindlessly on cd (does damage from old and new stack?)
b) w8 for specific tick than use new black arrow
c)w8 for it to drop than use new one?

Another thing to note is that the AoC trinket is kinda bad for MM as it doesn't reduce the CD on any DPS abilities.

That is totally lame, that MM gets this set:
Marksman Hunter: Camouflage, Disengage, Feign Death, Rapid Fire, Silencing Shot, Stampede
They should replace camo with Chimera Shot or something else.

[Tehterokkar]

Wait for Black Arrow + travel time to have it so that it lands between 1.9 and 0 remaining on Black Arrow, that way you won't lose the last tick.

[Pearsyn]

That is totally lame, that MM gets this set:
Marksman Hunter: Camouflage, Disengage, Feign Death, Rapid Fire, Silencing Shot, Stampede
They should replace camo with Chimera Shot or something else.

Last time I checked Rapid Fire and Stampede are both offensive DPS abilities.

Camo <> Chimera isn't a fair trade off for any hunter spec, why not reduce the CD on Kill Command as well. Marks got silencing shot, which is still powerful, just less powerful in PvE Raid Content.

[sultangurde]

Last time I checked Rapid Fire and Stampede are both offensive DPS abilities.

Camo <> Chimera isn't a fair trade off for any hunter spec, why not reduce the CD on Kill Command as well. Marks got silencing shot, which is still powerful, just less powerful in PvE Raid Content.

As far as I remember, Rapid Fire and Stampede have cooldown reduced for every spec. Maybe Chimera is way too much, but imho Silencing Shot is meh.

[Tehterokkar]

Last time I checked Rapid Fire and Stampede are both offensive DPS abilities.

Camo <> Chimera isn't a fair trade off for any hunter spec, why not reduce the CD on Kill Command as well. Marks got silencing shot, which is still powerful, just less powerful in PvE Raid Content.

MM just got the short end of the stick this time. BM got Bestial Wrath reduction and SV got Black Arrow(100% uptime Black Arrow vs. 80%)

[S7orm]

we'll probably see a hidden cooldown in a month, that's way too RNG

[Conjor]

The 4pc for survival is, IMO, the worst 4pc we have seen in a while. Filled with all kinds of RNG, feels cluncky as hell when you get lots of procs at once, and overall "feels" under-powered.

If I were a betting man I would say that the 4pc will be changed to something along the lines of "Every LnL proc now gives X additional charges."

[Matru]

The 4pc for survival is, IMO, the worst 4pc we have seen in a while. Filled with all kinds of RNG, feels cluncky as hell when you get lots of procs at once, and overall "feels" under-powered.

If I were a better man I would say that the 4pc will be changed to something along the lines of "Every LnL proc now gives X additional charges."

Whaaat, I'm loving the 4set as survival, those long explosive shot chains feels awesome!

[Tehterokkar]

Whaaat, I'm loving the 4set as survival, those long explosive shot chains feels awesome!

Have yet to get 4pc myself... But waiting on the RNG on openers with BA as the opening shot and spamming ES for the entire trinket durations... Dat Burst.

[Puerto]

Whaaat, I'm loving the 4set as survival, those long explosive shot chains feels awesome!

Feels awesome to you... to each their own I guess. Like Conjor mentioned, its WAY to RNG based. BM will still reign supreme this tier. BM scales better with gear than SV or MM.