View Poll Results: How much should the President be aware of what happens in the Government/Country

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    Why does Obama seem to only find about scandals after the American people do?



    The question that comes to my mind is that this is the President of the United States. He is supposedly the most powerful man in America and should be on top of things.

    So what do you think, realistically, the President of the United States, should be aware at all times of how much goes on in his own Country?


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    As stated by a fellow MMO-member, use some common sense for the poll.

    Not everyone is going to know that Micky, a faithful dog died of old age in the house of his owner.

    Not everyone will know that a incompetent Doctor is unintentionally killing people in a Hospital somewhere in California.

    Not everyone will know a low-level tech NSA personal is using information to blackmail people.

    So, use your common sense to how much you think Obama should "realistically" be aware of what is going on in his Government/Country at any given time. (Please use more of your common sense that I don't mean a second to minute basis here, something more reasonable to a couple of days to a week at the longest)
    Last edited by Shurkuris; 2013-10-29 at 09:16 PM.

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    Really think he does not know? He knows alright but what can the puppet do to stop puppeteer?

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    Obama is all-knowing and all-powerful.

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    Plausible Deniability
    A condition in which a subject can safely and believably deny knowledge of any particular truth that may exist because the subject is deliberately made unaware of said truth so as to benefit or shield the subject from any responsibility associated through the knowledge of such truth
    so basically about everything this administration does can have major blowback so either they don't tell Obama or that they do but make sure they have no record of doing just that so it cant be traced up to him

    it has flaws

    The doctrine has six major flaws:
    It was an open door to the abuse of authority; it required that the parties in question could be said to have acted independently, which in the end was tantamount to giving them license to act independently.[15]
    It rarely worked when invoked; the denials made were rarely plausible and were generally seen through by both the media and the populace.[16] One aspect of the Watergate crisis is the repeated failure of the doctrine of plausible deniability, which the administration repeatedly attempted to use to stop the scandal affecting President Richard Nixon and his aides.
    "Plausible denial" only increases the risk of misunderstanding between senior officials and their employees.[17]
    It only shifts blame, and generally, constructs rather little.
    If the claim fails, it seriously discredits the political figure invoking it as a defense.
    If it succeeds, it creates the impression that the government is not in control of the state.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability
    Last edited by Vyxn; 2013-10-29 at 07:42 PM.

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    He knows, people just let him and every other politician get away with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shurkuris View Post


    The question that comes to my mind is that this is the President of the United States. He is supposedly the most powerful man in America and should be on top of things.

    So what do you think, realistically, the President of the United States, should be aware at all times of how much goes on in his own Country?
    What "scandals" are you spouting now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    Plausible Deniability


    so basically about everything this administration does can have major blowback so either they don't tell Obama or that they do but make sure they have no record of doing just that so it cant be traced up to him
    Oh here comes Vyxn in never-never land where the US is on the verge of hyperinflation and becoming a communistic PRIVATE insurance slave state.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daelak View Post
    What "scandals" are you spouting now?
    Probably something that you and other random people will deny, so what's the point in answering?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daelak View Post
    What "scandals" are you spouting now?

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    Oh here comes Vyxn in never-never land where the US is on the verge of hyperinflation and becoming a communistic PRIVATE insurance slave state.
    so it is that the underlings are deliberately not telling Obama anything or if they do there is no record of it so to shield him or Obama is just incompetent instead. Just a spectator president a figure head
    Last edited by Vyxn; 2013-10-29 at 07:49 PM.

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    Obama knows what every single one of the millions of federal workers are doing right now. He sees you when you're sleeping.

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    Obama isn't stupid. He's just malevolent. I don't expect him to know what interns are making Boehner's drinks in the morning but he should fucking know about the NSA spying on some of our best allies.
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    What a silly question. Can we go ahead and add how much the president should know about the world too, and seperate them out? You could have made 3 posts out of this drivel if you had played cards your right.

    To answer your question, I believe the correct answer is the President should know 69% percent of what is going in the government, 3.141516% of what is going on in the country, and 110% of what is happening in the world.

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    Congress knew too. At the least the relevant committees. They didn't exactly proclaim to the American people what was up either... just saying. The status quo is to let the people that work in the shadows stay in the shadows. If the people in the shadows mess up, you beat them with a ruler without pulling them out of the shadows.

    On obamacare rollout, I could see the tech companies downplaying the issues.

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    Plausable deniability. either that or hes just playing dumb so it doesnt seem so bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreatOak View Post
    Seldom affirm, Never Deny, Always Distinguish


    Obama isn't stupid. He's just malevolent. I don't expect him to know what interns are making Boehner's drinks in the morning but he should fucking know about the NSA spying on some of our best allies.
    I really don't see why we wouldn't keep tabs on our allies as well as our enemies. You really think they wouldn't do the same if they could? Knowledge is powerful and leadership requires it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jugzilla View Post
    What a silly question. Can we go ahead and add how much the president should know about the world too, and seperate them out? You could have made 3 posts out of this drivel if you had played cards your right.

    To answer your question, I believe the correct answer is the President should know 69% percent of what is going in the government, 3.141516% of what is going on in the country, and 110% of what is happening in the world.
    wouldn't you think the president should know, be made aware of, or asked for permission to tapping the phones of our allies
    if not who in the hell is running this country? Valerie Jarrett?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Belloc View Post
    Probably something that you and other random people will deny, so what's the point in answering?
    Again, you didn't state what scandals. Why would Obama agree with spying on allied leaders?
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    Obama and his supporters have decided that it is better to look incompetent rather then culpable; and have now sold that message to the media. If he didn't know that the NSA was doing this, he would be firing many people right now. He is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    wouldn't you think the president should know, be made aware of, or asked for permission to tapping the phones of our allies
    if not who in the hell is running this country? Valerie Jarrett?
    I'm not a fan of Obama - I think he is incompetent myself, but you can't quantify an answer to this poll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyxn View Post
    so it is that the underlings are deliberately not telling Obama anything or if they do there is no record of it so to shield him or Obama is just incompetent instead. Just a spectator president a figure head
    It is the NSA, an intelligence gathering agency, he is the head executive, he and his senior cabinet would only know if the information gathered was directly associated with immediate military engagement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daelak View Post
    Again, you didn't state what scandals. Why would Obama agree with spying on allied leaders?
    Because knowledge is power, and his administration has ongoing negotiations with those countries.
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