Having to include disclaimers all the time around here unfortunately seems to be a necessary thing, I guess.
DISCLAIMER: This does not mean that I want path of the titans in the game. This does not mean I like path of the titans. This does not mean that I think Blizzard should implement Path of the Titans. This does not mean that I think casuals won't whine when presented with Path of the Titans. This does not mean that I think Path of the Titans will ever actually be in implemented in the game. This does not mean that I think Path of the Titans is a good idea. This does not mean that, if implemented, it would be an alternate character progression path to raiding.
THIS ONLY MEANS:
You asked a simple question of what else could someone do at endgame that could provide rewards similar to raiding, and I gave you a possibility in Path of the Titans.
Last edited by ablib; 2013-11-02 at 12:39 PM.
after all that I can still find time to raid . Your comments are quite wrong . you don't want to raid and that's fine , but if you do want to raid there are ways casuals can , some however are just too lazy to put in the gameplay to get ready to raid and expect to be carried. I have played and coached team sports all my life - and that's what I consider raiding to be . If you don't train in sport you don't make the team - if you don't put the effort into your character you don't raid -simple
On a side not guys --ABLIB is not the OP -he isn't the one that is asking for more things for casuals - his only fault was generalising what a raider is
Last edited by Sul; 2013-11-02 at 12:42 PM.
Your misguided definition of 'talking sense into people ' is belittling people and judging them for your own pleasure.
This is the last post I will make on this thread, I sincerely hope you do get some help and work through those issues ablib. Take care.
Last edited by FissionZero; 2013-11-02 at 02:06 PM.
One thing that strikes me here is, how you question the existence of "casual" content..
Let me start with straying to the side for a moment.... CASUAL.
I developed quite an allergy for that term. Overused, misused, thrown around as a label like it's getting out of style.. Guess what, it is out of style. It never was in style.
For almost a decade we're playing this game. And the use of the term casual didn't exist at all.
People played the game. That's it. There were elite players... But those were and are only very few. Everybody else just played and plays the game.
We were and are fine with other descriptions like: Relaxed, Easy going, Laid back. Or Nerdy, Elitist to get to the other end of the scale.
That Casual really has to be buried. At the end of the day, casual means nothing else than the opposite of formal. Perfectly reflected where it is used for over a half century already, Dress Code in the business world.
Anyhow, back to topic.
You want to progress your toon or toons, and you want challenging things to do.. Well let's see what we got.
For once, we have PVP... You can play that branch of the game and experience all varieties of difficulty there. The higher difficulty you choose, the higher the rewards are for you there. Now, generally speaking, the PVP gear isn't the best thing around the block, when it comes to PVE content. Since Blizzard finally solved the long needed separation of PVE gear should be weak within PVP instances, and PVP gear should be weak within PVE environments. That leaves you with the situation how your PVP gear is rather sub-par in the world outside. And that's okay.
We have PVE content.... Your claim to not be able to gear yourself up isn't true.
Of course you will fall flat on your face if you run LFR only once. What you expect? A full set of gear from one run alone? That doesn't happen. And it shouldn't happen. If LFR doesn't suit your challenge feel, then do Flex... If that ain't enough, do Normal mode.
You cannot? Then why not? If it's a time management thing, you can try to find like minded people in the same boat you are in. Put in the effort and be creative.
Now for how much can you achieve, how much does one need outside the raiding resources of Flex+
I have a toon, with whom I've never set foot in anything beyond LFR and the toon is geared with an item level of 549. If I get Ordos to be kind enough to hand me the bracers he's got in store for me, I would break the 550 mark. I would definitely break the mark, if I didn't want to maintain a 4pc set bonus.
Then I could replace 2 536 pieces with 2 567 pieces, fully upgraded of course. Anyhow, that item level makes my toon very competitive for any content outside of current raids. And an item level of 550 is sufficient to raid normal mode, and you will not suck with it.
All in all, Blizzard put all the possibilities into the game for everyone, as relaxed as one can be, or as nerdy and determined (oh I see what I did there) one is.
Never in the games history was there more variety, never more ways to entertain ourselves.
But if one is neither into PVP, or into Raiding at all.... They do not need an item level above 500 to get around in the game environment at all. And if one isn't into that either... Then chances are, how the game as a whole was just not meant to be for that person. Then it boils down to, how you simply picked the wrong game to play, or how you've grown out of it.
We cannot expect the game to change to how we changed. That's unreasonable.
"The pen is mightier than the sword.. and considerably easier to write with."
That is you both ultimatly kill the boss. The only difference between Heroic, Normal, Flex, and LFR is the quality of the gear obtained, and the difficulty of the encounters. All 4 are considered End game, as they are the end of the current content and storry at that point.
Just because someone kills a boss in heroic, does not in any way mean that they are seeing a different end game to what is seen in LFR. Raiding is like comparing two fish, one is a Salmon swimming up streams and rivers, battling against the odds to survive. The other is a guppy swimming happily in a tank, being a special snowflake. but when you look at them both they are just fish. (I will let you judge which fish is which raider type)
Last edited by vamonos; 2013-11-02 at 12:50 PM.
It's kinda like life really. The more effort you spend on homework the better the grades you are gonna get the better are your chances of getting the work you want, the more effort you spend on work the better are your chances that you are the one in the scope when they look for an employee/employers to promote. The more you do the more you get and the better is the feeling when you get it.