View Poll Results: Which playable race is the oldest, DO YOU BELIEVE? (Lorewise)

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  • Draenei

    238 39.93%
  • Human

    4 0.67%
  • Dwarf

    19 3.19%
  • Night Elf

    66 11.07%
  • Gnome

    2 0.34%
  • Worgen

    1 0.17%
  • Blood Elf

    4 0.67%
  • Tauren

    9 1.51%
  • Goblin

    0 0%
  • Troll

    230 38.59%
  • Orc

    12 2.01%
  • Undead

    2 0.34%
  • Pandaren

    9 1.51%
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  1. #161
    Quote Originally Posted by Wildberry View Post
    Troll, Tauren, Orcs, Goblins or Draenei.

    -Trolls are a pre-"ordering" race (>Atleast 10,000 years.)
    -Tauren are speculated to be a pre-"ordering" race (>Atleast 10,000 years.)
    -Draenei were approached by Sargeras 25,000 years ago
    -Nothing, as of yet, rules out Orcs.
    -Nothing currently rules out Goblins

    Let's look at races that have definitely lost:
    -Humans were the offshoot of Vrykul (Which were the offshoot of Iron Vrykul), which were an "ordering" Race
    -Dwarves were the offshoot of Iron Dwarves, which were an "ordering" Race
    -Gnomes were the offshoot of Mecha-gnomes, which were an "ordering" Race
    -Worgen are cursed Humans who were the offshoot of Vrykul (Which were the offshoot of Iron Vrykul), which were an "ordering" Race
    -Night Elves are the descendants of Trolls.
    -Forsaken are dead Humans who were the offshoot of Vrykul (Which were the offshoot of Iron Vrykul), which were an "ordering" Race
    -Blood Elves are offshoots of Night Elves who are the descendants of Trolls.

    -Pandaren could go either way, suspected to be related to furbolgs (Whether the predecessor or descendant, we don't know.) If the current theory is true, that they are Furbolgs shaped by the waters of the vale, then they wouldn't be in the "running". However, should the old theory prove true, and Furbolgs are the feral looking descendants of Pandaren, than they may be contenders.

    My best guess is that Draenei are the oldest.
    Great post, pretty much sums up the thread

  2. #162
    Titan, themselves, could be the oldest race.

    There was an evolutionary tree of WoW races on the intertubes, but it was guess-work as well.

  3. #163
    While we can't technically rule out the Trolls, nothing implies that their civilizations come anywhere CLOSE to the age of the Draenei, who were incredibly advanced 25,000 years ago, and thus probably much, much older than that. Especially given that they seem to be near-immortal as a species.

  4. #164
    Wouldn't Dwarves be the oldest as they were the earthen that had the curse of flesh put on them via the Old Gods? Unless your talking specifically about Dwarves as they are now and not their ancestors which then I guess would mean they are not the oldest....confusion

  5. #165
    Quote Originally Posted by Pockets View Post
    Wouldn't Dwarves be the oldest as they were the earthen that had the curse of flesh put on them via the Old Gods? Unless your talking specifically about Dwarves as they are now and not their ancestors which then I guess would mean they are not the oldest....confusion
    The Titans didn't actually make worlds. They found primitive worlds and tried to "order" them. Life already existed on them before the Titans arrived. We know for sure dragons did(as proto-drakes) and it's possible trolls and tauren were around as well.

  6. #166
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    Trolls would be the oldest,then elves
    Dwarves came from the Earthen which were created by the titans.

    At least on Azeroth, Draenei are supposed to be older which makes sense when you consider the Burning Legion's Eredar.
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  7. #167
    Quote Originally Posted by Wildberry View Post
    Troll, Tauren, Orcs, Goblins or Draenei.

    -Trolls are a pre-"ordering" race (>Atleast 10,000 years.)
    -Tauren are speculated to be a pre-"ordering" race (>Atleast 10,000 years.)
    -Draenei were approached by Sargeras 25,000 years ago
    -Nothing, as of yet, rules out Orcs.
    -Nothing currently rules out Goblins

    Let's look at races that have definitely lost:
    -Humans were the offshoot of Vrykul (Which were the offshoot of Iron Vrykul), which were an "ordering" Race
    -Dwarves were the offshoot of Iron Dwarves, which were an "ordering" Race
    -Gnomes were the offshoot of Mecha-gnomes, which were an "ordering" Race
    -Worgen are cursed Humans who were the offshoot of Vrykul (Which were the offshoot of Iron Vrykul), which were an "ordering" Race
    -Night Elves are the descendants of Trolls.
    -Forsaken are dead Humans who were the offshoot of Vrykul (Which were the offshoot of Iron Vrykul), which were an "ordering" Race
    -Blood Elves are offshoots of Night Elves who are the descendants of Trolls.

    -Pandaren could go either way, suspected to be related to furbolgs (Whether the predecessor or descendant, we don't know.) If the current theory is true, that they are Furbolgs shaped by the waters of the vale, then they wouldn't be in the "running". However, should the old theory prove true, and Furbolgs are the feral looking descendants of Pandaren, than they may be contenders.

    My best guess is that Draenei are the oldest.
    Undead's is actually night elves.

  8. #168
    Of those listed, Draenei most def. Velen who was old 25k years ago, was 1 of 3 leaders of a race already far more advance than an current other race. There was probably many generations of Draenei before him aswell.

    The oldest race in existence, is probably a toss up of Titans, Naruu, Old Gods and the original demon race that has never once been mentioned, but anyone with a brain can figure out, exists. I'm kinda hoping Old Gods are the oldest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnkie View Post
    Undead's is actually night elves.
    Playable undead, and the majority of the Forsaken are humans.

  9. #169
    Quote Originally Posted by Wyrt View Post
    The Titans didn't actually make worlds. They found primitive worlds and tried to "order" them. Life already existed on them before the Titans arrived. We know for sure dragons did(as proto-drakes) and it's possible trolls and tauren were around as well.
    While this is likely to be the case most of the time, the Titans do have the capability to deconstruct and reconstruct entire planets when necessary.
    Brann Bronzebeard says: Planetary re-origination? Speak plainly, ye blasted machine!
    Archivum System says: The decomposition of the planet and its living organisms into base elements: metals, rocks, gases. This is followed by a period of reconstitution of each element into the original planetary blueprint.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    I'm determined to someday make Med'an awesome. (MickyNeilson)
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
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  10. #170
    Quote Originally Posted by MikeBogina View Post
    Of those listed, Draenei most def. Velen who was old 25k years ago, was 1 of 3 leaders of a race already far more advance than an current other race. There was probably many generations of Draenei before him aswell.

    The oldest race in existence, is probably a toss up of Titans, Naruu, Old Gods and the original demon race that has never once been mentioned, but anyone with a brain can figure out, exists. I'm kinda hoping Old Gods are the oldest.

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    Playable undead, and the majority of the Forsaken are humans.
    The original demons had been Eradar till they broke the lore to make Draenei. I think now it's Nethrezim, dreadlords, pretty cool for space vampires.

  11. #171
    Quote Originally Posted by Aquamonkey View Post
    The closest reconciliation the different sources has gaping holes: The Titans stumbled across Azeroth, then fought and imprisoned the Old Gods beneath the surface of the world (Tribunal says containment happened after Curse of Flesh). Then they seeded the planet with their constructs and set up the terraforming before leaving (WC3 lore says the Titans remained until the terraforming was complete). As the Earthen were doing their job deep underground, near to where the Old Gods were imprisoned, they became infected by the Curse of Flesh. The Titans came back to try to destroy the Old Gods completely, but found out this would be bad for Azeroth (for some reason they didn't discover this when they killed Y'Shaarj during the war). They strengthened the prisons, made new constructs, set up the Aspects, and left again.
    You have to know that the First Old God that fought against the Titans was C'Thun. They were tricked when C'Thun feigned death. When the titan then killed Y'Shaarj, that when they found out the problem. C'Thun was thought to be one of two Old God that were killed by the Titans.

    Yogg-Saron, N'Zoth, and unknown Old God were imprisoned. These three were part of the War of the Ancients.

    C'Thun was busy raising an army called Aqir. This army was defeated by the Trolls' empires. C'Thun change his army once more, they become Qiraji. Nerubians have no connection with C'Thun or any of the Old Gods, in fact they will attack any minions of the Old Gods. Mantid is another Aqir race that still serve the Old God like their cousin, Qiraji. C'Thun never join the other three in the War of the Ancients, due to the fact that he was never "imprisoned".

  12. #172
    Quote Originally Posted by Auroro View Post
    You have to know that the First Old God that fought against the Titans was C'Thun. They were tricked when C'Thun feigned death. When the titan then killed Y'Shaarj, that when they found out the problem. C'Thun was thought to be one of two Old God that were killed by the Titans.

    Yogg-Saron, N'Zoth, and unknown Old God were imprisoned. These three were part of the War of the Ancients.

    C'Thun was busy raising an army called Aqir. This army was defeated by the Trolls' empires. C'Thun change his army once more, they become Qiraji. Nerubians have no connection with C'Thun or any of the Old Gods, in fact they will attack any minions of the Old Gods. Mantid is another Aqir race that still serve the Old God like their cousin, Qiraji. C'Thun never join the other three in the War of the Ancients, due to the fact that he was never "imprisoned".
    war of the ancients = First Demon invasion

    The war with the old gods and titans has no real details about it yet, for you to make such claims. All that is known is that 1 god died, 1 god fell and 3 were imprisoned. C'thun didn't feign death, he was weakened to near death.

    The Nerubians lore is weird, they were the first insect ppl we meet, but we never really get into their lore, like we do with the mantid and the Qiraji. Attacking old Gods minions? when have you ever seen the Nerubians do that? Pretty sure that with Twilight cultists running around in their depths, they are loyal to the Old Gods to some degree.

  13. #173
    Quote Originally Posted by Auroro View Post
    You have to know that the First Old God that fought against the Titans was C'Thun. They were tricked when C'Thun feigned death. When the titan then killed Y'Shaarj, that when they found out the problem. C'Thun was thought to be one of two Old God that were killed by the Titans.

    Yogg-Saron, N'Zoth, and unknown Old God were imprisoned. These three were part of the War of the Ancients.

    C'Thun was busy raising an army called Aqir. This army was defeated by the Trolls' empires. C'Thun change his army once more, they become Qiraji. Nerubians have no connection with C'Thun or any of the Old Gods, in fact they will attack any minions of the Old Gods. Mantid is another Aqir race that still serve the Old God like their cousin, Qiraji. C'Thun never join the other three in the War of the Ancients, due to the fact that he was never "imprisoned".
    N'Zoth wasn't defeated.
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Where is N'Zoth? He was mentioned at Blizzcon, then was talked about in Dragon Soul. What is going on with him?!
    N'zoth is still lurking. The Titans couldn't defeat it... maybe someday we'll get our chance? Don't expect to hear anything about him in Pandaria, though! (Source)
    The Titans defeated/imprisoned the Old Gods by casting a powerful sleep spell: "Also, the benevolent titans, though not gods themselves, cast a magical slumber upon the Old Gods and imprisoned them far below the surface of the world."

    Then there's also this:
    Originally Posted by Dave Kosak
    Not every Old God is still alive and plotting. The Titans actually did kill a lot, so this particular Old God is dead. And is safely dead. Not all of the Old Gods were entombed. (Source)
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    ´So.. sorry to bring this up but..you know that .."thing" (Med'an).. is that "thing" cannon still?
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  14. #174
    Quote Originally Posted by Humbugged View Post
    When the titans arrived, Trolls were already here, like cavemen. Titans created the Earthen, the ancestors of Dwarves.
    IIRC, it was when the Titans returned that we first see that the trolls existed.

    EJL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnome View Post
    But Dwarfs doesn't come from the Trolls, so when did Dwarfs come to life? Also the Pandaren seem pretty ancient?
    Back in WotLK you got to see the origin of both the Gnomes and Dwarves. They were inanimate objects created by the Titans to safeguard Azeroth, but over time they got transformed into beings made of flesh and bone.

    Trolls, however, predates them since they existed before the Titans arrived on Azeroth.

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