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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisberb View Post
    You mean, that the administration knew that insurance companies would cancel/end policies that would have otherwise been grandfathered and kept?
    Republicans didn't even know. How many of their defunding bills had anything to do with out if pocket limits, that are causing these cancellations? Neither side thought insurance companies wouldn't raise premiums and keep collecting money until people switched to exchanges.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakura Chambers View Post
    We should be assisting the Egyptian military in their conflict against the Muslim Brotherhood and install a secular, military state in Egypt that will bring stability to the country.
    Maybe we should start with a secular government in our home, before we *install* one in another country?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakura Chambers View Post
    He encouraged the senate to pass new gun control laws, including a bill that would ban most semi-automatic rifles, based solely on their cosmetic features.
    What would it passing in senate do? Have it fail in house?
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    I feel like you just described the white, middle class, young, male libertarian movement.

    Ouch, that's harsh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rukentuts View Post
    Yes, we should just remake other nations the way we see fit. Because it has always worked so well.
    It's the will of the Egyptians to have a military state, as we have seen. The Egyptian military has really taken their role in society very seriously, both in the aftermath of Mubarak's overthrow and in liberating Egypt from the Morsi regime. The military represents the legitimate government of Egypt and is a domestic political force, not a foreign political force (American or otherwise). We would merely be providing aid to the locals in their noble goal of rebuilding their country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisberb View Post
    Maybe we should start with a secular government in our home, before we *install* one in another country?
    Are you saying we should cut and run from defending against the upcoming assault on Christmas? The colors don't run...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakura Chambers View Post
    He encouraged the senate to pass new gun control laws, including a bill that would ban most semi-automatic rifles, based solely on their cosmetic features.
    That's hardly pushing anti-second amendment, in other words, more bullshit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakura Chambers View Post
    It's the will of the Egyptians to have a military state, as we have seen. The Egyptian military has really taken their role in society very seriously, both in the aftermath of Mubarak's overthrow and in liberating Egypt from the Hosni regime. The military represents the legitimate government of Egypt and is a domestic political force, not a foreign political force (American or otherwise). We would merely be providing aid to the locals in their noble goal of rebuilding their country.
    Not nitpicking, but i'm assuming you mean from the Morsi regime? Because Hosni = Hosni Mubarak

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    Are you saying we should cut and run from defending against the upcoming assault on Christmas? The colors don't run...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakura Chambers View Post
    It's the will of the Egyptians to have a military state, as we have seen. The Egyptian military has really taken their role in society very seriously, both in the aftermath of Mubarak's overthrow and in liberating Egypt from the Hosni regime. The military represents the legitimate government of Egypt and is a domestic political force, not a foreign political force (American or otherwise). We would merely be providing aid to the locals in their noble goal of rebuilding their country.
    How about we provide aid to and rebuilt Detroit? Is it only socialist if our aid is local?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakura Chambers View Post
    It's the will of the Egyptians to have a military state, as we have seen. The Egyptian military has really taken their role in society very seriously, both in the aftermath of Mubarak's overthrow and in liberating Egypt from the Hosni regime. The military represents the legitimate government of Egypt and is a domestic political force, not a foreign political force (American or otherwise). We would merely be providing aid to the locals in their noble goal of rebuilding their country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Decklan View Post
    That's hardly pushing anti-second amendment, in other words, more bullshit.
    The man on the talking box told me that it is anti SECOND AMENDMENT to not allow fully operational tanks to be private property. Therefore, I'm going to build me a tank and if the big mean old gubbermint tries to take it, I shall fight them!

    Also, nuclear weapons are totally covered under the second amendment, right?
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    So if the states get together and work with the Legislative Branch to write an amendment to the federal constitution, you think the Judiciary (SCOTUS) could strike it down for being 'unconstitutional'?
    Uh...yes. Absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya420 View Post
    How many American lives is that worth to you? How much more do we spend on Egypt, instead of US?
    I don't think it's a "one or the other" kind of thing. We can't just ignore the rest of the world, but we also can't ignore our own problems. And besides, we can sell (or give) the Egyptian military our older military equipment that we planned on phasing out anyway. It would be at virtually no cost to us and would help ensure that the Egyptian people get the freedom they deserve (not to mention improve relations with Egypt and ensure that they are firmly in our camp).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Felya420 View Post
    How about we provide aid to and rebuilt Detroit? Is it only socialist if our aid is local?
    That's it! You are a genius.

    We invade Egypt, and take the pyramids, and rebuild them, stone by stone, in Detroit. Then Detroit gets all the world-wide tourism money and we can use that to rebuild it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    So if the states get together and work with the Legislative Branch to write an amendment to the federal constitution, you think the Judiciary (SCOTUS) could strike it down for being 'unconstitutional'?
    Uh...yes. Absolutely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zython View Post
    It's nice to see, once again, that conservatives seem to assume that democracy = "the guy I like is in power", rather than an actual system of governance.
    Egypt isn't ready for democracy. I thought that before Mubarak was overthrown and I think that now.

    However, a military state isn't inherently undemocratic. If the Egyptian people wanted to, they could have a system where after serving in the military for say, five years, they will be able to vote and run for office. This, coupled with constant social engineering, both within the military and in general society, would ensure the stability of the country and make an Islamist takeover almost impossible.

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    There are only two, at most three, things on this poll that are anything but propaganda and fake outrage. I can't help but laugh at how many votes Benghazi and "anti-second amendment" choices got here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    I feel like you just described the white, middle class, young, male libertarian movement.
    Absolutely. But people grow up, and some of those people will be in a safe enough place that their brain can continue growing which will allow them to mature and find more rationally sound reasoning for the things they believe in.

    The rest of them will probably remain in a stunted state and eventually identify with the anger and hatred of the conservative movement. Anything to justify their intense and pervasive feelings of inadequacy
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    Hey OP, how about you add going back on his promise to improve environmental regulations. That's some legitimate criticism right there. Oh right, this poll is for shit only the conservative propaganda machine cares about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisberb View Post
    Not nitpicking, but i'm assuming you mean from the Morsi regime? Because Hosni = Hosni Mubarak



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    Quote Originally Posted by obdigore View Post
    That's it! You are a genius.

    We invade Egypt, and take the pyramids, and rebuild them, stone by stone, in Detroit. Then Detroit gets all the world-wide tourism money and we can use that to rebuild it.
    I discovered only like a year ago that underneath Detroit is a colossal network of old salt mines... I think the largest mine network in the world or something?

    Clearly the turmoil in Detroit is simply the guiding hand of a Dark Elven empire living deep below the surface, whose influence and power has subtly corrupted the humans above - to distract them from the lurking threat below. At the very least, Detroit should build a Dark Elven theme park down there IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nakura Chambers View Post
    I don't think it's a "one or the other" kind of thing. We can't just ignore the rest of the world, but we also can't ignore our own problems. And besides, we can sell (or give) the Egyptian military our older military equipment that we planned on phasing out anyway. It would be at virtually no cost to us and would help ensure that the Egyptian people get the freedom they deserve (not to mention improve relations with Egypt and ensure that they are firmly in our camp).
    It is either or. Every American who will die as a result of us interfering are not going to comeback. Every penny that we spend in Egypt, will not be spent to help America. Why are you being socialist with tax payer money in Egypt, but not in US?
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