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    Can't wait to see 9000+ topics "waaaah! bring back GC!!!!oneoneeleven" 1 year after WOD release
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    To actually contribute to the thread on why I dislike GC and his team:

    I think many of his ideas are what really ruined WoW for me. They managed to make the game less organic and exploratory like a true RPG and at the same time a worse experience for competitive players and an overall more convoluted and washed down experience that could be classified in 3 stages consisting of

    Homogenization of class followed by dumbed down difficulty and mechanics followed with pointless grinding and the last stage consisting of loss of player interest and a sense of community.

    This cycle became apparent at the end of Wotlk and every period of time since then. But, I this was to its greatest extent in MoP which really ruined the expansion for me and unlike previous expansions which could fall back on other aspects of the game I felt that MoP was very weak in every category including Raids, PvP, story, environment and class mechanics. Mixing a bunch of unoriginal ideas does not create an original one and this was nowhere more present than in the major changes to classes such as the warlock in MoP.

    I will say one thing though, one person leaving the team will probably not make the game better or worse since the WoW team is so large now (around 200 full time devs) and has several members who I think are both very talented and possibly some of the best in the industry (Afrasiabi, Pardo, Kaplan. Some of them work on other projects now however.) and members who I feel are not terrible ("terrible" game developers do not make it that far) but would be more qualified on a game that isn't an MMORPG (Chilton, GC and some of the new members of the team). Metzen is really hit or miss. Although I think the game is better off without GC it still remains to be seen how good the final product of WoD will be.

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  3. #763
    Quote Originally Posted by Knadra View Post
    To actually contribute to the thread on why I dislike GC and his team:

    I think many of his ideas are what really ruined WoW for me. They managed to make the game less organic and exploratory like a true RPG and at the same time a worse experience for competitive players and an overall more convoluted and washed down experience that could be classified in 3 stages consisting of

    Homogenization of class followed by dumbed down difficulty and mechanics followed with pointless grinding and the last stage consisting of loss of player interest and a sense of community.

    This cycle became apparent at the end of Wotlk and every period of time since then. But, I this was to its greatest extent in MoP which really ruined the expansion for me and unlike previous expansions which could fall back on other aspects of the game I felt that MoP was very weak in every category including Raids, PvP, story, environment and class mechanics. Mixing a bunch of unoriginal ideas does not create an original one and this was nowhere more present than in the major changes to classes such as the warlock in MoP.

    I will say one thing though, one person leaving the team will probably not make the game better or worse since the WoW team is so large now (around 200 full time devs) and has several members who I think are both very talented and possibly some of the best in the industry (Afrasiabi, Pardo, Kaplan. Some of them work on other projects now however.) and members who I feel are not terrible ("terrible" game developers do not make it that far) but would be more qualified on a game that isn't an MMORPG (Chilton, GC and some of the new members of the team). Metzen is really hit or miss. Although I think the game is better off without GC it still remains to be seen how good the final product of WoD will be.

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    Exactly.

    Sadly, there is no turning back, even If Kaplan takes the seat. This game was so dumbed down by GC and other system mechanic developers, that you cant reverse it. The damage is irreparable.

    Chilton has made bad decisions all the way aswell, since GC isnt making the whole game and so on. That guy has to leave too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Centauron View Post
    Exactly.

    Sadly, there is no turning back, even If Kaplan takes the seat. This game was so dumbed down by GC and other system mechanic developers, that you cant reverse it. The damage is irreparable.

    Chilton has made bad decisions all the way aswell, since GC isnt making the whole game and so on. That guy has to leave too.
    Implicit in your complaint is the presumption that "dumbing down" the game is/was a "bad decision". As I see it, if anything, the bad decision (from a business point of view) was not having reduced the complexity/difficulty of the game much earlier. They have squandered tens of millions of accounts, and the great majority of those were not hardcore.

    (I presume you are using "bad decision" in an objective sense, not in the sense of "something that Centauron personally dislikes".)
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