Too bad it was part of a two-expansion storyline where we came along for the ride.
Too bad it was part of a two-expansion storyline where we came along for the ride.
After the red comes the silver,
She who was golden and bright;
The Proud Lady humbled and bitter,
Shall now turn her thoughts to the fight.
Saphire to diamond she gleams now,
The Kirin Tor leader who comes,
"Queen" of a kingdom now fallen,
Marching to war's martial drums.
Be ye warned - the tides of war
At last shall break upon the shore.
Much as I like Jaina and hope she shapes up instead of being ousted or going evil, that doesn't sound like a prophecy saying she'll be a great leader, but a warning saying she's coming and she's going to bring Dalaran into the war. Everything in the prophecy has already come to pass unless there's more I'm missing.
My biggest worry for WoD is that due to it being on Draenor the relative alliance strength won't be relevant or shown and at the end the horde will rediscover its identity and come out on relatively equal footing after discovering itself and it won't matter.
It would be very convenient for Blizzard. That way they can still claim that the Alliance is vastly superior, but it just so happens that the Horde will gain new allies that will bridge the gap. And no one will be able to prove them wrong, since there will be no direct confrontation, except maybe for some small scale skirmishes, in which the Alliance advantage wouldn't be that important.
Just need to cripple the Draenei somehow, to ensure that Alliance new friends won't boost them even further. I can definitely see them going that way.
Last edited by KaPe; 2013-11-30 at 04:11 PM.
of course not, why the fuck should the alliance help them given that they are just as responsible for everything as garrosh is?
because their feeling got hurt by him? daaaw poor trolls, here have this refugee from Theramore whose wife got killed by a troll tell you how terrible they feel because Garrosh backfired on you
Not to mention that, you know, Garrosh was doing those things to the trolls, tauren, goblins and blood elves WHILE WAGING WAR AGAINST THEM. The Alliance WAS trying to stop Garrosh, Varian even attempted to invade Org in TIdes of War. Didn't work becaues lol garrosh super weapon ass pull.
I am pretty sure this is exactly what they're going to do. Somehow, someway the Horde will be back to what it was (Maybe reinforced by the Frostwolves or something), and the supposed superiority of the Alliance that we were told it had won't ever need to actually be shown in the game.
You're dancing around the problem here without actually mentioning it. Gameplay and story segregation has always been a huge problem... for the Alliance. Not so much for the Horde.You and Seti both keep using the world 'help' in a manner that sounds derogatory, rather than in the sense that points out the Alliance essentially carried the siege. Kosak also posted on Twitter that things were changing in-lore, and we'll probably see the results of these withdrawal negotiations in War Crimes. We probably would've seen some of it in 5.5, ditto for changes in Orgrimmar to show the start of Vol'jin's reign, but that got scrapped to get Warlords out faster.
Honestly, gameplay and story segregation has always been a huge problem with WoW. According to Tides of War, the Alliance retook Ashenvale back in Wolfheart and the Horde was still smarting from the loss, but it's still in flux ingame. Northwatch should have Horde banners scattered and broken all over the place after the Alliance retook it, but it still looks the same as it does when you're done questing in that leg of the Barrens. Silvermoon should be up in arms over Jaina's purge but it's still stuck back in 2.4. Zhouchin should be a blood-soaked battlefield after the events of Shadows of the Horde, never mind the ingame invasion, but it's probably still pristine with a couple fires here and there ingame after you finish that questline. I haven't yet, it's on my to-do list.
Horde victories are in-game and permanent. Ashenvale will forever be shown in its Cataclysm state, with the Horde advancing. Their victories in Southern Barrens and Andorhal end with a final phase showing the Alliance routed, sometimes removing flight paths in the process. Theramore will forever be a smoking crater. Southshore will forever be slimed. You get the picture, I think.
Alliance victories, what few they have, are either not shown in-game or are temporary. The retaking of Ashenvale is something we'll never see. The post-Siege events are again relegated to the novels. Swamp of Sorrows technically ended with an Alliance win, but the final phase of the quest chain puts everything back as it was beforehand. No trace of that victory remains. You think we've ever going to see an Alliance Dalaran in the game? I doubt it.
I can only think of one Alliance win that's permanent, and that is Taurajo. Even then, the Horde got a nigh-identical quest hub about a hundred yards away.
It's as though the Horde story is the main path, created first and clearly shown from beginning to end. The Alliance story has to fit around it and is patchy, filled with plotholes and sometimes missing entirely. That's what makes SoO a hollow victory. You can hype up the "Alliance superpower" as much as you like, but we'll never actually see it.
I personally hope they never go the arc of making Jaina (or Sylvanas for that matter) bad guys, I like em too much
“It's now very common to hear people say, 'I'm rather offended by that.' As if that gives them certain rights. It's actually nothing more... than a whine. 'I find that offensive.' It has no meaning; it has no purpose; it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. 'I am offended by that.' Well, so fucking what.”
Not to mention they couldn't even give the Alliance an actual victory. It had to have been a largely civilian-controlled town, where the Alliance is meant to look like terrible people attacking civilians (By the way, its not until WAY LATER in Tides of War where Baine acknowledges that Taurajo was a legitimate target and Hawthorne refused to civilians slaughtered), where the Alliance's General, somebody who could have been an interesting character, gets murdered on the road.I can only think of one Alliance win that's permanent, and that is Taurajo. Even then, the Horde got a nigh-identical quest hub about a hundred yards away.
Because you were spewing bullshit that they didn't care. Cairne cared and died for it. Baine cared and warned Jaina. Vol'jin cared and took his people out of Orgrimmar. Eitrigg cared and his followers were arrested. Thrall cared, but he was healing the planet.
- - - Updated - - -
That would've been really good story development. Instead of red-herring Garrosh's nobility by dropping that orc off a cliff in Stonetalon.
MoP jaina is a stupid insane paranoid idiot who back tracks too much.
its all garrosh's fault. no wait all the horde is to blame. wait no its just garrosh's fault. its all the hordes fault dismantle them when she damn well knew it wasnt going to be so easy.
i want a Jaina that will get stuff done but will be reasonable. this jaina isnt.
Anemo: traveler, Sucrose
Pyro: Yanfei, Amber, diluc, xiangling, thoma, Xinyan, Bennett
Geo: Noelle, Ningguang, Yun Jin, Gorou
Hydro: Barbara, Zingqiu, Ayato
Cyro: Shenhe, Kaeya, Chongyun, Diona, Ayaka, Rosaria
Electro: Fischl, Lisa, Miko, Kujou, Raiden, Razor
Last edited by Shakari; 2013-11-30 at 07:10 PM.
Science has made us gods even before we are worthy of being men: Jean Rostand. Yeah, Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair colour!.
Classic: "The tank is the driver, the healer is the fuel, and the DPS are the kids sitting in the back seat screaming and asking if they're there yet."
Irony >> "do they even realize that having a state religion IS THE REASON WE LEFT BRITTEN? god these people are idiots"
Cairne knew Garrosh was going to be warmongering even if he got that one instance wrong. He witnessed Garrosh gleefully use the Northrend treaty to attack helpless Alliance sailors. He opposed the appointment (though he waited until the last minute to do so), but was overruled by Thrall.
Last edited by Aquamonkey; 2013-11-30 at 07:07 PM.
Dave Kosak flat out said she didn't want to just kill them all.