Pope preaching "pure Marxism"

[Tradewind]

This is really the No True Scotsman fallacy on a political scale.

Oh all the real world implementations of socialism/communism/marxism turned into nightmarish authoritarian hellholes? Well they weren't PURE socialism/communism/marxism...

That's why there are distinctions :P Marxism is Marxism, it's not this other thing, or the thing that came after that.

Just because Truman called it Marxism, didn't mean it was

[Rukentuts]

This is really the No True Scotsman fallacy on a political scale.

Oh all the real world implementations of socialism/communism/marxism turned into nightmarish authoritarian hellholes? Well they weren't PURE socialism/communism/marxism...

Well hey, Obama is a marxist donchaknow.

[Austilias]

Just wait until True Marxism™ and True Communism™ guys. They'll work this time, we promise!

On another note; I do wonder what sort of ethical and religious implications there are for Catholics who happen to not like their current Popes and/or their views. Is it canonically/theologically sound to disagree or protest your Pope?

[Deleted]

Just wait until True Marxism™ and True Communism™ guys. They'll work this time, we promise!

On another note; I do wonder what sort of ethical and religious implications there are for Catholics who happen to not like their current Popes and/or their views. Is it canonically/theologically sound to disagree or protest your Pope?

The Pope is sorta like a King. What he says pretty much goes. Or in other words, he is always right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

[Rukentuts]

The Pope is sorta like a King. What he says pretty much goes.

Pretty much? Try does. According to strict interpretation he's infallible; he can never be wrong.

[Deleted]

Pretty much? Try does. According to strict interpretation he's infallible; he can never be wrong.

Yeah, you're right.

Well I guess you're almost right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti_pope

So I guess if an antipope rises, one of them has to be wrong. It can be confusing at times.

[Kalis]

Pretty much? Try does. According to strict interpretation he's infallible; he can never be wrong.

Only for Catholics.

He holds no sway over Protestants or Orthodox Christians, so I'm not sure why the person quoted in the OP gives a toss.

[Underverse]

mmmmm the tide turns

[Alandalus]

Yeah, I don't think preaching reigned-in capitalism and charity is "marxism", but we are talking about American conservatives here - you know, the people who think mandated insurance from private for-profit companies is "socialism".

Is the Pope advocating workers taking control of the means of production? Is he calling for an end to private property? No? Then he's not talking about socialism.

[Deleted]

mmmmm the tide turns

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/media-...110000187.html

not really, sorry.

[Talen]

I just found it funny how people didn't tell the pope to shut his fucking trap on issues that don't concern the church.

The pope should probably keep his nose out of globalized economics if he is going to blatantly ignore how it has increased the standard of living of several impoverished people. Which ironically, are catholic depending where you look geographically.

Is it perfect of course not. But it's a fucking start that was catalyzed by capitalistic interests.

He criticsed crony/unrestrained capitalism and acted to emphasise long standing social policies held by the Church.

Its a bit of a jump from to suggest he's anti-capitalist. ANY system...capitalism included...can be bad and harmful when taken to extremes. And it is those extremes of capitalism he is criticising.

EJL

[Mormolyce]

You're completely wrong. Jesus was not against money, he was against the idea of people essentially living their lives only for money. I feel like I keep quoting this, but here it is..

"Francis notes that the state has a responsibility to promote the common good through “the principles of subsidiarity and solidarity.” The key concept of subsidiarity in Catholic doctrine rejects Marxism and command economies, teaching that “a community of a higher order should not interfere in the internal life of a community of a lower order”

This whole thing was also primarily directed at the individual, not Governments.

I never said he was advocating a method of government. Jesus was against money though. It's a fucking ascetic religion, it is completely clear on this point.

32 Fear not, little flock; for it is your Father's good pleasure to give you the kingdom.

33 Sell that ye have, and give alms; provide yourselves bags which wax not old, a treasure in the heavens that faileth not, where no thief approacheth, neither moth corrupteth.

Luke 12:32-33

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Matthew 19:20-24

20 And he answered and said unto him, Master, all these have I observed from my youth.

21 Then Jesus beholding him loved him, and said unto him, One thing thou lackest: go thy way, sell whatsoever thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, take up the cross, and follow me.

22 And he was sad at that saying, and went away grieved: for he had great possessions.

23 And Jesus looked round about, and saith unto his disciples, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

24 And the disciples were astonished at his words. But Jesus answereth again, and saith unto them, Children, how hard is it for them that trust in riches to enter into the kingdom of God!

25 It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Mark 10:20-25

21 And he said, All these have I kept from my youth up.

22 Now when Jesus heard these things, he said unto him, Yet lackest thou one thing: sell all that thou hast, and distribute unto the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come, follow me.

23 And when he heard this, he was very sorrowful: for he was very rich.

24 And when Jesus saw that he was very sorrowful, he said, How hardly shall they that have riches enter into the kingdom of God!

25 For it is easier for a camel to go through a needle's eye, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

Luke 18:21-25

20 And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples, and said, Blessed be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.

21 Blessed are ye that hunger now: for ye shall be filled. Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.

22 Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when they shall separate you from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil, for the Son of man's sake.

23 Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for, behold, your reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their fathers unto the prophets.

24 But woe unto you that are rich! for ye have received your consolation.

25 Woe unto you that are full! for ye shall hunger. Woe unto you that laugh now! for ye shall mourn and weep.

Luke 6:20-25

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Better get Emperor Palpatine on the phone.

[Wildtree]

Definitely like this pope, the popes before him looked like they were pedophiles, this guy seems like someone whom you can put your child on his lap without worrying about anything.

if I was you, I'd keep an eye on my wife instead though lol

Anyhow... what's the deal here? Limbaugh just showing once again how the drugs destroyed his otherwise already barely existing brain?

If one really wants to compare politics with the scripture, then if anything at all Jesus was as close to communism as it gets in political terms, and way off from capitalism.

[GreatOak]

Oh look someone wrapping their political agenda in the cloak of religion

That's new

[Risale]

See this is why Rush is such an idiot, he seizes a perceived thread and yanks it hard and makes all sorts of noise and 5 minutes later when somebody catches on that a mistake was made he just ignores it and carries on like he is right and the rest of the world is wrong.
Muppets like him should just be taken out back so that we can be relieved of the misery he spreads.

[SL1200]

The new Pope is a good man. It's about time someone with power spoke out. Capitalism and trickle down economics are eating us alive.

[Alandalus]

See this is why Rush is such an idiot, he seizes a perceived thread and yanks it hard and makes all sorts of noise and 5 minutes later when somebody catches on that a mistake was made he just ignores it and carries on like he is right and the rest of the world is wrong.
Muppets like him should just be taken out back so that we can be relieved of the misery he spreads.

Modern American conservatism is built around the idea that the rest of the world is wrong. It's an Amerocentric ideology that feeds on paranoia over globalization and perceived foreign influence. Just look at the entire debate over things like climate change that basically don't exist in the rest of the first world, but are major political positions in America.

[THE Bigzoman]

True Capitalism doesn't exist either, just figured I'd throw that out there too.

Where did I ever state in my time on this forum that it did?

[ringpriest]

The Pope never said that capitalism is a bad thing. He was saying that greedy capitalists are bad things. I'm sure most people can agree that large amounts of greed is bad.

Obviously Limbaugh, as a sock-puppet for greedy and criminal capitalists, disagrees.