[MW] Another "why am i bad" thread

[Nootz]

Okay, so my healing has started to drop off a pretty decent bit as of late and I'm looking for some experienced mistweavers to throw me a couple ideas or a smack on the head about what I'm messing up on or not doping very well.

http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...ne/?enc=bosses

There's my guild's logs. First thing I see is: lol 2 shaman and a disc priest. I know absorbs kill mistweavers and having 2 resto shamans with 2 healing rains out at one time doesn't help me really, but I've seen high end monks still stay competitive with their other healers. Unless they're cheesing or underhealing I don't really see how they're keeping up so well. Maybe I'm bad. My biggest flaw is probably ReM uptime so you can go ahead and call me out on that all day long.

Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...nootz/advanced

Maybe change some yellow crit gems to int/crit? Just looking for some insight from heroic mode raiders.

[Nakanai]

Int/Crit gems and straight Crit gems are virtually identical in value, so switching between them isn't going to affect your numbers any, although you have apparently chosen to forgo the int socket bonuses on your cloak and offhand, which is kind of bad.

This is not a great tier for MWers. There are a lot of fights where there is simply nothing to heal except for random damage on 2-3 targets or an occasional damage burst. IJ p2 is the ideal condition for us, but the good numbers we can pump out there tend to get overshadowed by how rubbish we are in p1. So just because you're behind doesn't mean that you're bad necessarily. That said, working on ReM uptime is always a good way to improve.

You got Banished 3 times on Sha of Pride, which is unavoidably going to tank your HPS. You managed 75% of your possible ReM casts on IJ which is pretty bad. No reason you can't have 95%+ on that fight. Your Malkorok numbers look ok (at least you're not getting beat there), but again, ReM maximization is a problem. So, work on that. And sacrifice kittens to the kitten god to get a Cleave trinket from Thok. It's pretty godlike in 25man.

[dennix]

if all else fails try a fistweaving combi. What i think is at the moment the best way to play MW is to switch a lot depending on what the raid needs. keeping ReM up is always a must, use TFT as much as possible. Other then that just crackling the boss, keep tier 3 talent on CD and spam uplifts to burn your chi. The key of this method is to not break your CJL to much, coz thats inefficiant, your channel of CJL shouldnt interfere with the ReM CD. try to use tier3 + uplifts on around 1-4s of the ReM cd and use CJL just after.

This is imo by far the best way to play MW atm, which is not saying its the best way to heal, but it is one of the strongest specs in the game if you play it like this. Not everybody is up for healing this way and if not just dont do it. There are various viable ways to heal as a monk. Just keep ReM, Tier 3 on CD generate extra chi with expel/soothing/cjl and burn chi on uplifts

[Astraios]

if all else fails try a fistweaving combi. What i think is at the moment the best way to play MW is to switch a lot depending on what the raid needs. keeping ReM up is always a must, use TFT as much as possible. Other then that just crackling the boss, keep tier 3 talent on CD and spam uplifts to burn your chi. The key of this method is to not break your CJL to much, coz thats inefficiant, your channel of CJL shouldnt interfere with the ReM CD. try to use tier3 + uplifts on around 1-4s of the ReM cd and use CJL just after.

This is imo by far the best way to play MW atm, which is not saying its the best way to heal, but it is one of the strongest specs in the game if you play it like this. Not everybody is up for healing this way and if not just dont do it. There are various viable ways to heal as a monk. Just keep ReM, Tier 3 on CD generate extra chi with expel/soothing/cjl and burn chi on uplifts

First off, that isn't fist weaving.

Second off, it isn't one of the strongest specs in the game, and playing it like that doesn't change it.

Third, dumping chi when no one needs healed...is pointless. It's about timing your heals/chi dumping whenever damage comes. The fact that you CAN simply spam heals the entirety of an encounter [without going oom or even being threated by it] is exactly why I'm on a hiatus from raiding, it's skill-less, brainless, and my class sucks at it XD. Even so, we gain nothing from "dump chi on uplift". Know when you need healing, and time chi for that. If you have extra chi, you should be dumping it in EnvM on the tank. Why? Will it give you the highest parses? No. But parses are meaningless, and keeping your tank alive is >not< meaningless. I prefer to finish encounters, not win WoL.

[Totaltotemic]

@OP

Your setup is fine, the buttons you choose to press and when are fine. What you need is to simply be better about it. Maximize ReM CDs, maximize Chi Torpedo, Maximize Chi Burst. Ignore the nonsense about CJL, if you have free GCDs where you find yourself doing nothing and the raid isn't at full health just spam Soothing and Uplift if the raid is spread or SCK and Uplift if it's stacked. You won't ever top the meters or even do more healing than a Shaman, Priest, or Druid, but that's just balance right now. You're doing what you're supposed to do, just tighten it up.

[Geodew]

@OP
...You won't ever top the meters or even do more healing than a Shaman, Priest, or Druid, but that's just balance right now. You're doing what you're supposed to do, just tighten it up.

I think I agree with this. Took a quick look; nothing glaring at you right in your face like most people who ask for help (usually it's being bad at ReM, chi brew, mana tea, not spending chi, and/or TFT), just tighten up what you're already doing, squeeze out a bit more ReMs like you said in the OP, etc. "Uptime" looks great compared to your co-healers, too.

As for gems: Definitely match int socket bonuses though like someone else said. Crit isn't THAT good. Can even be worth it to match blue sockets for int bonuses if you value Spirit as worth about 25% of crit or more. Also worth it to match red sockets for 60 Spirit if you value Spirit as worth about 27% of crit or more.

[dennix]

First off, that isn't fist weaving.

Second off, it isn't one of the strongest specs in the game, and playing it like that doesn't change it.

Third, dumping chi when no one needs healed...is pointless. It's about timing your heals/chi dumping whenever damage comes. The fact that you CAN simply spam heals the entirety of an encounter [without going oom or even being threated by it] is exactly why I'm on a hiatus from raiding, it's skill-less, brainless, and my class sucks at it XD. Even so, we gain nothing from "dump chi on uplift". Know when you need healing, and time chi for that. If you have extra chi, you should be dumping it in EnvM on the tank. Why? Will it give you the highest parses? No. But parses are meaningless, and keeping your tank alive is >not< meaningless. I prefer to finish encounters, not win WoL.

all i know is i top healing meters with 140-150k dps

[Darkener]

I don't see you using much FW. General Nazgrim is a great fight for MW healers to learn how to incorporate Eminence into their healing. You will be much more successfull on that fight if you Fistweave when the boss isn't in Defensive stance, and you will help by adding significant dps. The reason the Priest is much higher than the OP Shaman on that fight is the spread nature (anti-stack) and smart heals rule. Particularly smart heals from damage, Atonement and Eminence. The smart heals from Xuen are very powerful, particularly when a lot of crap is out. Xuen lines-up with damage phases very well if you use Xuen right at the pull. Take Xuen, Chi Wave, Ascension, and glyph ReM, Surging Mists, and Healing Spheres. Put the statue near ranged in the middle and stand in melee and punch:

- When all your other priorities are on CD, remember your base rotation is Jab-TP, or drink tea.

Then when you have a priority ready do it:

- When ReM is ready, use Jab-ReM-BoK or Jab-ReM-Uplift if a lot of people need healing.
- When ReM is ready and TFT is ready and you have 5+ ReM out, use Jab-ReM-TFT-Uplift
- When Expel Harm is ready, use Jab-EH-BoK.
- When Vital Mists hits 5 stacks, hit your Surging Mist, it's an instant smart heal with the glyph.
- When LMG procs hit Jab and then CJL, refresh CJL right before LMG ends and try to then use TP or BoK before Muscle Memory falls off.
- When Nazgrim leaps away to do shockwave use CJL, making sure you aren't standing in anything, you should channel 2 of them. This will smart heal players that get hit as they scramble around. It's our best "spot healing" spell, rather than trying to use soothing mist to spot heal, just be careful to watch your mana using it.
- Chi Wave on CD. I use "/cast [@targettarget,help][@player] Chi Wave" to ensure I cast it on the tank or myself (4 heals) while targeting the boss. Do it how you want.
- Use Revival after War Song (if it wasn't fully absorbed).
- Xuen during damage phase.
- During Defensive stance roll out to the adds and interrupt Shaman and kill totems and adds. CJL that rogue (Assassin?) that goes around backstabbing people to death.

Practice on Nazgrim in LFR and Flex, you will be amazed at how much "effective" healing you do when you stop healing and start punching.

[Nootz]

all i know is i top healing meters with 140-150k dps

In LFR maybe. I was asking for heroic mode raiders not LFR heroes. I knew your advice was shit from the second I read the first 3 words.

It's not about me wanting to parse, I just wanted to stay competitive in the current content on every fight not just Malkorok and Thok. I was thinking that it was a class balance thing anyway. Hopefully they actually try to balance healers in Warlords. I'll work on the timing thing but when you have 2 priests and 2 shamans it makes me feel useless to the healing comp as a monk.

[rohendar]

I raid 10man HC, I do between 120-140k DPS on HC bosses: Protectors/Norushen/Sha/Galakras/Iron Juggernaut/Nazgrim/Spoils. All of these I do above 100k dps while keeping up with the other healers, if not outheal them. Some fights we 3 heal and I can dump chi into BoK, other fights we 2 heal and I instead dump chi into Uplift. Instead of generating chi with soothing, you just generate chi with CJL.

You feel you are useless because the other healers snipe all your heals, WHY NOT fill up useless times with DPS? It will help your raid a whole lot more than overhealing with soothing. Saying you shouldn't need to dps as a monk is like saying a Disc priest shouldn't atonement heal. It's part of your healing playstyle. Your Disc priest is doing 60k DPS on almost every fight, are you saying he is doing something wrong?

[Totaltotemic]

I raid 10man HC, I do between 120-140k DPS on HC bosses: Protectors/Norushen/Sha/Galakras/Iron Juggernaut/Nazgrim/Spoils. All of these I do above 100k dps while keeping up with the other healers, if not outheal them. Some fights we 3 heal and I can dump chi into BoK, other fights we 2 heal and I instead dump chi into Uplift. Instead of generating chi with soothing, you just generate chi with CJL.

You feel you are useless because the other healers snipe all your heals, WHY NOT fill up useless times with DPS? It will help your raid a whole lot more than overhealing with soothing. Saying you shouldn't need to dps as a monk is like saying a Disc priest shouldn't atonement heal. It's part of your healing playstyle. Your Disc priest is doing 60k DPS on almost every fight, are you saying he is doing something wrong?

It's irrelevant damage in 25 man and OP raids 25 mans. In 25 man MWs fill GCDs and generate chi by using SCK a lot or by spamming Soothing (not just letting it channel), CJL does such little damage and so little healing that it's pointless to use in a 25 man raid environment.

[dennix]

In LFR maybe. I was asking for heroic mode raiders not LFR heroes. I knew your advice was shit from the second I read the first 3 words.

It's not about me wanting to parse, I just wanted to stay competitive in the current content on every fight not just Malkorok and Thok. I was thinking that it was a class balance thing anyway. Hopefully they actually try to balance healers in Warlords. I'll work on the timing thing but when you have 2 priests and 2 shamans it makes me feel useless to the healing comp as a monk.

mate i raid hc 11/14

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It's irrelevant damage in 25 man and OP raids 25 mans. In 25 man MWs fill GCDs and generate chi by using SCK a lot or by spamming Soothing (not just letting it channel), CJL does such little damage and so little healing that it's pointless to use in a 25 man raid environment.

CJL does a hell of a lot of dmg... on burst MW can reach 600k+ with that

[rohendar]

I open burst around 400k DPS on single target bosses, 600k on protectors/shamans. Overall dps 140k on most bosses, and you call that irrelevant dmg. You must not raid HC.

[Totaltotemic]

In what world is your CJL ticking for 400k+? That's asinine, making up numbers doesn't help people looking for answers.

[rohendar]

Euhm I have 18k haste, 13k crit, my CJL does 100k+ dps unbuffed on a target dummy. Combine that with trinket procs, chi wave, xuen, lust, caster legendary cloak; bursting high is very easy at the start of the fight.

[Totaltotemic]

Euhm I have 18k haste, 13k crit, my CJL does 100k+ dps unbuffed on a target dummy. Combine that with trinket procs, chi wave, xuen, lust, caster legendary cloak; bursting high is very easy at the start of the fight.

Yeah there are other threads for ridiculous and pointless DPS maximizing on farm as a Mistweaver. This is one about someone looking for help healing progression 25 man heroic raids. Try not to confuse people that are just looking for help.

[rohendar]

Euhm I used "pointless dps" maximizing for our first kills on protectors/norushen/sha/galakras/juggernaut/nazgrim/spoils. Progress HEROIC kills. And at no point did I say you have to maximize dps. But as a monk you can at least do SOME dps in downtime moments.

The OP came on here feeling useless compared to his co-healers. What I see in his logs is he is healing with other classes that just flat out snipe his healing. Instead of casting useless soothing and useless uplifts, he might as well do SOME dps. At least is LESS useless.

[Totaltotemic]

And I'm sure your 140k DPS really mattered and wasn't just pointless gimping of your healing. No one cares about taking 5 seconds off the kill time of a boss, and if you were hitting enrage on any of those fights you probably should have been replaced by an actual DPS for the fight since you weren't contributing to healing.

[rohendar]

* Norushen HC monk healer: 150k DPS, 215k HPS: my healing wasn't contributing? I do 215k, the disc priest does 235k, we 2 heal. Me doing close to HALF the healing is not what I call useless.

* Spoils HC: you only need to do 100k HPS, which a baby can do with 2 fingers up his nose. I managed to do that AND 190k DPS on our hc kill tonight. And yet we only had 15sec spare on the timer. Spoils HC 10man, the timer is really tight for a first kill and YES the healer dps matters. Saying we should drop a healer is just stupid. There is only 1 healer per side. My guild already 2 heals 70-80% of the fights. Norushen/Sha/Galakras/Shamans/Nazgrim/Malkorok/Spoils all get 2 healed on 10man HC.

I can't believe you are actually trying to convince people that as a monk you shouldn't dps. Monks are THE BEST dps healers, even better than disc priests. It is part of the monk playstyle. How you can tell people to ignore half the strengths of the class is beyond me.

[Totaltotemic]

10man HC.

This thread has absolutely nothing to do with 10 man content. Trying to make it about that because that's your experience area is pointless. The OP asked for help and does not raid 10 mans. Ergo, any answer in this thread is assumed to be about 25 mans, not 10 mans. 150k extra DPS is irrelevant in 25 mans, a warrior with Skull Banner or a Shaman with Stormlash provides that much.