I'm on Mal'Ganis (horde), and I'm a 564 frost DK. I would think that with that item level and the experience I have, I'd be able to pug into more raids, but I'm finding more and more each day that people are only taking those who already have the Garrosh achievement for SoO. I understand that having the achievement means that he or she was in a group that downed Garrosh, but honestly, it doesn't mean squat if the kill was a fluke or if the toon was carried. Meanwhile, there are those like me who've never gotten a Garrosh kill, but have been in several groups that have all wiped constantly, but I know the fight well and I know my role in the fight. I'm almost always one of the last people standing prior to complete wipe. I am more than sufficiently geared, and yet I cannot get into any pug group simply because I lack the achievement. I continue to try to get into groups, especially if only to kill Garrosh, and my success in doing so has been zero as of late. I'm wondering if at this point I'm just wasting time. I really want the Garrosh kill, but I'm really starting to believe it will not be possible. I'm not even looking for heroic, just normal! I'm not understanding this...