USA alienated with Turkey (and vice versa)?

[Kreeshak]

I've read in a local Greek newspaper that USA and Turkeys relationship are cold since last summer.
Even though Obama spent more time with Erdojan, than any other leader in the globe (apart from UK) the newspaper were advocating that since last summer and the incidents in Instabul both are alieanted with each other.

More specifically in the current government Crisis, there are Turkish pro government papers that are suggesting the USA embassador should abandon Turkey.
Those newspapers blame that the whole crusade about the corrupt Turkish government are triggered by the USA.

The Greek newspaper also suggested that Turkey did not like what happened in Egypt. Turkey supported the overthrown leader and USA did not support him.
Same with Syria that Turkey supports the rebels and Obama finally didn't take action against the Syrian government.

USA also feels that Turkey has Iraqi oil deals against USA interests. USA also associates a Turkish bank with terrorist funds.

That's what I read in the newspaper.

What I would like to ask is if the report is off and how would a potential end in diplomacy between the two said countries would affect Turkey, eastern europe and the middle east.

[Cybran]

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar...deast-20130323

The break up started all the way back in 2010. After Israel killed 9 Turkish activists the US was put in the uncomfortable position between the 2 countries. Obama had promised to recognize the Armenian Genocide, but he never did. He convinced the Israeli prime minister to apologize for the 2010 incident. It almost looked like the US could make it's 2 biggest allies in the middle east kiss and make up, but then came the anti-governmental protests.

All of Europe was watching how the turkish regime crushed the protesters with excessive force. Many European figures condoned the behavior and the US was forced to pull away from Turkey. The next big blow was the failure of Obama to start a war in Syria. Turkey had been the training area and the place from where most jihadist entered Syria. Turkey had invested a lot in toppling Syria and expanding it's influence south. A weaker Syrian government would have made it easier for them to deal with the Kurds there. The incredible amount of refugees likely also play a role since they can't go back home until the war is over and are now stuck in Turkey.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tur...&NewsCatID=359

So just a month ago Erdogan asked Putin if he can "take him to shanghai" which shows that at least the ruling regime has given up on the west and is looking for alternatives. Regardless, most of the growth in Turkey at the moment is caused by a property bubble and the unstable government could give in any day.

It's highly likely that the current premier has lost the favor of the US government which means that they will likely support a regime change in the near future.

[Olo]

Erdojan has got a regional war that's spreading, a slowing economy, and now that they've beaten down the military and secularist, him and Gulen are about to tear each other apart. Interesting times ahead.

[Skroe]

The US relationship with Turkey has always been one of tolerating their government's... eccentricities. Nothing they say or do, no stunt Erdogan pulls, exactly has hurt or surprised us. We tolerate it because talk is cheap and we usually get what we want with them. They're an extremely weak country that talks a big game, end of story.

[Kuntantee]

http://articles.latimes.com/2013/mar...deast-20130323

The break up started all the way back in 2010. After Israel killed 9 Turkish activists the US was put in the uncomfortable position between the 2 countries. Obama had promised to recognize the Armenian Genocide, but he never did. He convinced the Israeli prime minister to apologize for the 2010 incident. It almost looked like the US could make it's 2 biggest allies in the middle east kiss and make up, but then came the anti-governmental protests.

All of Europe was watching how the turkish regime crushed the protesters with excessive force. Many European figures condoned the behavior and the US was forced to pull away from Turkey. The next big blow was the failure of Obama to start a war in Syria. Turkey had been the training area and the place from where most jihadist entered Syria. Turkey had invested a lot in toppling Syria and expanding it's influence south. A weaker Syrian government would have made it easier for them to deal with the Kurds there. The incredible amount of refugees likely also play a role since they can't go back home until the war is over and are now stuck in Turkey.

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/tur...&NewsCatID=359

So just a month ago Erdogan asked Putin if he can "take him to shanghai" which shows that at least the ruling regime has given up on the west and is looking for alternatives. Regardless, most of the growth in Turkey at the moment is caused by a property bubble and the unstable government could give in any day.

It's highly likely that the current premier has lost the favor of the US government which means that they will likely support a regime change in the near future.

This pretty much sums up the issue.

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The US relationship with Turkey has always been one of tolerating their government's... eccentricities. Nothing they say or do, no stunt Erdogan pulls, exactly has hurt or surprised us. We tolerate it because talk is cheap and we usually get what we want with them. They're an extremely weak country that talks a big game, end of story.

What you gonna do if you don't tolerate . Are you going to invade? That's some bullshit. Yes, USA has been influential on Turkey from time to time but when it comes to some important decision, we neither give a flying fuck to USA nor rest of the world(eg. Cyprus operation). Current government is weak, thus Turkey is weak but that doesn't mean Turkey is truly weak.

[Hooked]

Turkey has never been our friend. They wont let us look for noahs ark, they didnt let us fly over their country during iraq war. There was a big issue with us over the kurds as well.

[artemishunter1]

This pretty much sums up the issue.

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What you gonna do if you don't tolerate . Are you going to invade? That's some bullshit. Yes, USA has been influential on Turkey from time to time but when it comes to some important decision, we neither give a flying fuck to USA nor rest of the world(eg. Cyprus operation). Current government is weak, thus Turkey is weak but that doesn't mean Turkey is truly weak.

I hope Turkey does not turn into another middle eastern gov't, or banana republic.

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Turkey has never been our friend. They wont let us look for noahs ark, they didnt let us fly over their country during iraq war. There was a big issue with us over the kurds as well.

Well, Iraq war was bullshit to begin with. No nation would ever willingly give up its territory to its ethnic minority. U.S. won't give Taxas secession either.

[Olo]

Turkey has never been our friend. They wont let us look for noahs ark, they didnt let us fly over their country during iraq war. There was a big issue with us over the kurds as well.

And North Korea won't let us look around their unicorn lair! Those bastards!

[twelvethirty]

What are you talking about? Turkey and I have a fantastic relationship. As a matter of fact we just had a great time two days ago.

[OzoAndIndi]

Can't say I've paid much attention or heard much about it. I know it's been a little iffy though. I figure any such relationships (like with Russia, etc. as well) will prob always strengthen and weaken, back and forth... like tides.

I've read in a local Greek newspaper that USA and Turkeys relationship are cold since last summer.

So we could say the relationship has gone "cold Turkey"...? Sorry, that was a bad one.

[Milchshake]

I've read in a local Greek newspaper that USA and Turkeys relationship are cold since last summer.
Even though Obama spent more time with Erdojan, than any other leader in the globe (apart from UK) the newspaper were advocating that since last summer and the incidents in Instabul both are alieanted with each other.

Sounds like your newspaper is wrong. For example, Obama spends more time with Netanyahu than any other leader. Even in the middle of our government shutdown in October, Netanyahu gets a 2.5 hour meeting with Obama.

A Greek newspaper ragging on Turkey.... next up Dog Bites Man.

[GennGreymane]

the are upset that we have a holiday dedicated to eating them.

[Goldeneagle]

Sounds like your newspaper is wrong. For example, Obama spends more time with Netanyahu than any other leader. Even in the middle of our government shutdown in October, Netanyahu gets a 2.5 hour meeting with Obama.

A Greek newspaper ragging on Turkey.... next up Dog Bites Man.

Well he is the last leader he has a relationship with in the middle east...

[Stelio Kontos]

Sounds like your newspaper is wrong. For example, Obama spends more time with Netanyahu than any other leader. Even in the middle of our government shutdown in October, Netanyahu gets a 2.5 hour meeting with Obama.

A Greek newspaper ragging on Turkey.... next up Dog Bites Man.

At least they're not American media.