Originally Posted by
Halicia
news flash. that was a party. news flash... whenever he has been in a raid. someone else has been leading. news flash. when he raids again, he isn't the raid leader. news flash, if you've ever been in a real raid, you'd know the difference between leading a raid, and developing a gameplan. not even remotely similar. Shiroe is a kingmaker, not a king.
your point being ? You were the one trying to disprove my similarities between the two, and you just agreed they were. I really don't understand your point here.
eh... 'right now' he has well, at least 5 I can think of off the top of my head. I gave you specific examples of the four. Just because you refuse to accept it doesn't make it any less true. And if you're going to start calling it out episode by episode, Kirito gained his "harem" LONG after Shiroe does.
yeah, and Kirito's game *WASN'T* out for 8+ years. And what little knowledge he started out with, quickly turned out to be false and lethal anyways. So who had the growth here ? The guy that started fresh, or the guy that started knowing everything at level 90 ?
which has nothing to do with the price of tea in china. You might as well be using Love Hina characters to support your arguments for all the merit it has.
it stopped being a videogame the moment people died. two years is a perfectly fine timeline for meeting, romancing, wedding, moving in together, and having a child. don't know why you're taking issue with that other then to be disagreeable.
yeah, no. even if that were all of it, "greater good" is just an excuse for evil to get its way. you said kirito had a worse rep then shiroe, he didn't. Kirito was willing to be the target of hate to protect others. Shiroe was the target of hate because he wanted to get his way. Shiroe's friends are OK with who he is, but those not directly dependent on him (aka, in other guilds) have no qualms reminding him just what a demon he is at every chance. While his harem rally to try and change that perception among the general populace
50 people is a !@#$ing ton on a friends list, and those are just the ones that were online. How many friends did Kirito have at the start ? 1 ? (granted, I'll accept the caveat that that one was taking the same role as the twins, just like asuna and akatsuki are fairly interchangeable at that point too). Shiroe was given 8 years of history in the game, and people KNEW him.
No, he didn't. I'll give you Klein, because that's pretty much the same as the Shiroe and the twins. but he had NOONE ELSE. The rest of them all came after the fact.
no, he got used. the twins got abused. and he sat by and let it happen because he was too busy pursuing his own desires to help people on his friendslist.
there's a big difference between someone coming up to you and asking you a question, and being held prisoner, beaten, and ... worse. but again... whether his desires were justified or not, he refrained from being 'openly' social, except when HE needed something from someone. Kirito didn't *want* to be antisocial, but allowed himself to be made a pariah so that the other beta testers wouldn't be persecuted.