Elemental frustration

[Iannis]

Hey guys.
First let me say I've read the guides on multiple websites, checked with Ask Mrrobot and yes, I use ovale.

I guess to sum it up, I have no idea what I'm doing wrong. My shaman can only pull about 115-120k single target.
It's mostly a rotation question. Ovale and one guide I've read says to more or less spam lightning bolt til the cows come home.
Almost never using lava burst?

Should I still be using Lava burst every cooldown? I'm using unleashed fury as my 90 talent, so I get the lightning spam style.
I've been unleashing fury every cd, keeping flame shock up and spamming lighting bolt. Using Lava burst when it procs.

Here's my armory
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Mordain/simple

Yes, I like socket bonuses so don't give me too much grief about my blue socket choices, please.

[Tickle]

Whaaaaaaaat is ovale? And yeah, if you're just spamming LB, you're doing it wrong. Check here for the correct rotation/priority system: http://www.totemspot.com/vb/showthre...7082#post85429

And I understand liking socket bonuses, but if it means you're 8% over hit cap, it's a problem. Your gemming, despite what you may like or not like, DOES make a difference.

[Sinyc]

You need to ungem/reforge (where possible) out of spirit/hit as you are way over the cap.

See this site for a basic rotation to guide you: http://www.icy-veins.com/elemental-s...owns-abilities

Also at your gear level EB may be better. UF doesn't take the lead until T16+ gear for the most part. If you like playing with UF that is fine, although it may help your DPS a little if you tried Elemental Blast out.

After getting your hit down as much as possible and reforging into Haste/Mastery (they are about equal at your ilvl) you should see a decent increase granted you follow a good rotation and use all offensive cool downs correctly.

[Iannis]

Well replaced all the spirit gems with pure int. Went back to lava burst every cooldown, can hold 150k now after 5mins with zero offensive cooldowns used.
Groovy =)

[Jotaux]

Which guide have you been using? There is the one Tickle linked and the one stickied in this forum. Both are excellent guides.

A lot of your socket bonuses are 120 int bonuses so I can see why you have gemmed so much hit (askmrrobot only drops him to like 22% hit). You really need to replace all your hit gear though.

[Deleted]

Well replaced all the spirit gems with pure int. Went back to lava burst every cooldown, can hold 150k now after 5mins with zero offensive cooldowns used.
Groovy =)

You really need to gem for socketbonuses, in your helm you a +180int blue socket bonus and you have put a red 160int gem there. You can put any blue gem there and make more int from it then now. There isnt really any good gems to put in it thou, but any green gem, +haste +stam or +crit +stam or something similar.
Best gem is a purple +int +spirit but then you get more hit which you really dont need.

I saw more sockets where the example above apply aswell, if you look into it i think you can find em rather easily.

[Anzen]

Woh just looked at your armoury.

You're gemming pure intellect in blue sockets and losing socket bonus, despite most of the socket bonuses granting more intellect than if you gemmed Int+Spi ?

You're gemming pure intellect, when I have a feeling pure haste would be better for you at that item level.

All your gear has spirit/hit on it, you haven't reforged your ring etc.

[Deleted]

Woh just looked at your armoury.
when I have a feeling pure haste would be better for you at that item level.

All your gear has spirit/hit on it, you haven't reforged your ring etc.

^this.

But to be sure you really should sim yourself to see whats best for you at this ilvl.
Also try to get rid of this crit trinket :P

[Unproven]

Whooa.
looking at your gemming and reforging made me cringe hard.
gemming 160 int in your helmet when your socket gives 180 + whatever stats the green / purple gem would give.
i dont really understand that line of thought...

i honestly think you just need to calm down and a rethink your whole gearing progress.
seems like you just rush into it buying whatever gems you find cheapest and not really taking a look at where you place em.

[Iannis]

Alright, changed a gem out or two.
As for everyone pointing out the spirit on my gear, all mail caster gear has spirit on it??
I've forged away as much spirit as possible.

As for my trinkets, RNG hasn't been king, nothing is dropping in terms of that.

[Anzen]

Alright, changed a gem out or two.
As for everyone pointing out the spirit on my gear, all mail caster gear has spirit on it??
I've forged away as much spirit as possible.

As for my trinkets, RNG hasn't been king, nothing is dropping in terms of that.

You have a strength gem in your belt.

To make it easier: If the socket bonus is intellect, gem:

Yellow: +320 Haste (Quick Sun's Radiance)
Red: +160 Int, +160 Haste (Reckless Vermilion Onyx)
Blue: +160 Int, +160 Spirit (Purifed Imperial Amethyst)

If it doesn't have an intellect socket bonus, gem +320 haste.

Obviously this will not be 100% accurate for all his gear, but it's a lot easier, and mostly accurate. Inb4 Haste Vs Mastery arguments and sim yourself comments.

I would usually recommend gemming intellect when someone is badly geared, but with your item level and gear, you shouldn't really be gemming pure intellect anymore.

Just noticed you have 6 Ordos items equipped...
From armoury: 10 Ordos kills 12/6/2013

RNG hasn't been king

I don't even...

[Iannis]

..the strength gem was pure oversight and probably a miss click =\

[Deleted]

simcraft and reforge plots and you will have the answer, what to gem and what not to gem.
if you dont know how to simcraft yourself, look it up at totemspot forum (do i want haste or mastery)

[Quickie]

Couple things. Your gear is crap, so that will change your dps when you start to replace things. You are also way over hit cap. Replace those gems that have spirit with something else. Socket bonuses are not worth it. 320 haste > 180 haste=spirit for you at the moment. Regem to stacking Haste. For you, Haste > Mastery till you have the cloak. stop stacking pure Int. For Ele, our secondary stats are just as, if not more important then int. Trinks you have also suck. Bindings in any form is > heroic ToT trinks and most normal trink from SoO. So, try and get them off Immerseus. I think its jsut a gemming and gear problem. FYI, just cause something says "warforged" on it, doesnt mean its actually better then another piece of gear. The added int is great, but that helm is pretty much amazing for heals, and not so great for ele. I am sure lots of people here will disagree with me, but ill take more haste and mastery over int any day right now, try and play around with your gear, equip things that dont have spirit on it,

Also, check your glyphy. Fire Elemental Gylph will help u.

[Anzen]

Socket bonuses are not worth it. 320 haste > 180 haste=spirit for you at the moment. Regem to stacking Haste.

*sigh* look through the OP's armory again and use some primary school maths.

[Tickle]

Also, check your glyphy. Fire Elemental Gylph will help u.

Um, how exactly? Fire Elemental glyph does not increase DPS except for on very specific fight lengths, and it's actually better most of the time to NOT use it. For example, <5 minute fight with hero at the beginning - if you glyph FE, he only gets 30 seconds of hero/lust uptime. If you don't glyph it, he gets the whole 40 seconds. 6 minute fight? Glyphed you'll get 1:30 total FE uptime (dropping at 0:00, 2:30, and 5:00). Unglyphed you get 2 minutes (dropping at 0:00 and 5:00).

The only fights I've really used the glyph on this tier are Galakras (because otherwise he spends a lot of his time wandering around because we kill packs so quickly) and Paragons (for the extra burst on specific bosses).

[Iannis]

equip things that dont have spirit on it,

Also, check your glyphy. Fire Elemental Gylph will help u.

People keep saying equip non spirit things. Clearly for rings/necklaces/cloaks. But is there some cache of mail caster gear that DOESN'T have spirit on it somewhere? Trust me, if I could find a helm or pants, gloves, etc, that didn't have spirit, I would use it.

I know warforged doesn't mean it's best, but it's the best I have on me right now.

[Tickle]

People keep saying equip non spirit things. Clearly for rings/necklaces/cloaks. But is there some cache of mail caster gear that DOESN'T have spirit on it somewhere? Trust me, if I could find a helm or pants, gloves, etc, that didn't have spirit, I would use it.

Yes. The elemental tier is itemized very well, as are several other pieces from SoO.

[Elios]

And yeah your trinkets Sux ... alot .... like alot.... aloooooooot.

Every Talent and glyph is situational and not mandatory...

And btw ... Start raiding... you did 3 lfrs and 1 Flex how are you suposed to learn to dps if you are not raiding... 50% of dps is learning how your class behave in the specific fight.

And at your gear level you should probably start going mastery... never gemm pure Intellect unless you are sharing your gear with your resto.

Your mastery is extremely low.

[Quickie]

*sigh* look through the OP's armory again and use some primary school maths.

The +160 spirit isnt doing anything for him, and with how his gear is, the +80 int wont do much, his haste and mastery are extremely low and need to be bumped up, only after alot of ele shams have decent SoO gear do they go back and add 80 int and haste/mastery gems, since they staticly have more haste and mastery, so they can then add more "umpf" to their base attacks, he still benefits much more on gemming secondary and avoiding. Furthermore, he chooses to get the +180 bonus on the helm, but not the same on the chest? doesnt make sense. Either commit to going that route, or dont.