GCD locked as Unholy???

[foonkinator]

Hey all , Is anyone else getting GCD locked as unholy?? Currently I am iLvL574 with 9,100+ Haste rating.... At the start of a fight like Heroic Malk bloodlust is popped and as soon as my double trinkets pop I reapply diseases but it seems like I dont even have a chance to pop ERW to drop 6 SS in a row for some burst.... I am also using runic corruption.... Anyone else running into this problem? Should I drop some haste or what?

http://www.wow-heroes.com/character/...2/foonkinator/

[Raugnaut]

The main question is, are you RP capping/rune capping? For malk, as long as you can use ERW before the minute mark, it's not a dps loss. But yea, you may want to drop a little bit of haste and start going for second best stat.

[Cryopathy]

It's pretty common to get GCD locked during Bloodlust no matter how much Haste you have. I get GCD locked as a tank during Heroism with literally 0 haste on my gear.

If it happens often even without Bloodlust, then yeah, go ahead and drop some Haste. Sim your character to see what would be best.

[Shiira]

You have far more haste than you need for heroic content, since you have the galakras trinket you're safe to go crit>mastery>haste.

You should also be using blood tap, but that's a relatively small issue.

[foonkinator]

You have far more haste than you need for heroic content, since you have the galakras trinket you're safe to go crit>mastery>haste.

You should also be using blood tap, but that's a relatively small issue.

Sorry I wasn't clear, Both RP capped and Rune capped.. Its like if I don't cast Death Coil then I'll be wasting Death runes etc..... Also aren't you support to still be hitting 9k Haste with Unholy buff then Crit > Mastery??? and didn't they change blood tap to off the GCD so people arent using it anymore??

[Shiira]

Bigger health pools and more raid damage mean we can ams more runic power, and the galakras trinket means we can do it more often. Haste isn't a priority any more.

As for blood tap, it hasn't been changed.

[Schizoide]

Unholy sims at 14% wait time in T16H. I consider anything <=10% to be completely GCD-locked (as that is less than 1 GCD every 10s cycle) so Unholy is darn close. That's assuming 100k damage soaked via AMS every cooldown, so if you soak more than that you will have even less wait time. Obviously during bloodlust you will always be GCD-locked also. Same deal if you don't reforge/gem properly and stack haste.

[foonkinator]

Okay So @shiira .... So during bloodlust you will 100 % be capped... After double trinket procs 1st cast Unholy Frenz+garg str pot/gloves and recast diseases.... Then dont worry about RP cap and Spam SS then ERW 6x more SS?? How do you open?

[damescool]

being that you have the heroic cd trinket is why haste should be your last stat, you should be crit>mastery>haste. specially if you are GCD locked. also, there are many fights where partial festerblight still works to a degree this includes heroic malk so more mastery over haste is better imo.

tbh, i was having a similar problem, i too was a little over 9k haste i feel much better now after reforging as much as i could into crit mastery i'm still at about 7400 because of my gear but it feels like i could still get away with less. i regret passing on gear to get de'd back when i was strickly dw-frost

[Shiira]

I'm not a good person to ask about actually playing unholy, I've barely played it this expansion.

But I'm not frenzying myself, I'm gearing crit>mastery>haste, and I'm still staying gcd locked the vast majority of the time as long as there's something to soak with ams.

[Maxweii]

Fook your opener will very depending on a lot of things, I don't ever really open the same way week to week on the same bosses as it depends on RP soaking, trink procs, ect.

However as I see it 9k haste is a really high number for right now. I run at 5404, and that's just recently. I have been down to as little as 4.5k but I rarely go anywhere over 5.5k. I would love to drop a bit of haste overall (if I get Thok's polearm I can drop 100 or so which would be awesome), though as long as I am in that 4.5-5.5k range I feel the regen I have is perfect. As long as you are (ab)using AMS pretty much on CD you won't find much downtime with it, and it gives just enough regen so that during say BL you only get short short periods of overflow. Galk's trink is such a big factor in our stat weights because of it being able to let us AMS soak more, which in turn devalues haste. The less RP you need to get from your runes and you can get from external sources the better almost, and Siege has magic damage coming from everywhere on almost every single fight.


Two side notes, you should drop Glyph of AMS, it directly counteracts the Glyph of Regen Magic. It makes it a lot harder for the Regen Magic glyph to give you a lower CD on AMS, as you soak more so you will overall get a higher chance to not get the lower CD. The best use of AMS is enough to fill your RP bar but not overflow it, that way you get the runic you need but aren't wasting it, and also getting AMS back up very quickly.
The other note is hey enchant your chest piece ;P

If you wana look at my stats to see where they all fall this is my toon

[valliant13]

ugh seeing this thread makes me want to play with unholy again but I only have 2900 haste, need a few more pieces to start playing with it again. However I have been debating a a high mastery ratings and going for about 10k crit rating with about 5k haste. However I'm not 100% sure how well that will play out...I know the stat weights for unholy are relatively equal but how much is crit really worth?

[Shiira]

More than haste. I've been playing unholy with 2k haste and it's fine as long as there's something to ams.

[valliant13]

More than haste. I've been playing unholy with 2k haste and it's fine as long as there's something to ams.

I tried unholy on thok with around 3k haste and felt rune starved quite a bit. I know BT is theoretically better than RC, but RC just feels much much better as unholy. I just need to find my sweet spot, granted this was the day after the unholy might buff and I hadn't played unholy in quite some time as well.

[Shiira]

Well thok has very little reliable magic damage.

[valliant13]

Well thok has very little reliable magic damage.

I know that, which is why I was saying I'd want to be at around 5k haste even if it's overkill for some fights, it would be to balance out the fight or two where there isnt much. Either way I need to start playing around with it again because I'm growing tired of dw frost and I will probably just switch between the specs each week to keep it interesting while we wait for WoD info/release date.

[Sliippy]

You have too much haste.

[Ineko]

You should also be using blood tap, but that's a relatively small issue.

That's very debatable. The difference is so small it's basically a non-issue.

I'm also rune-capped on burst at 5528 haste. I just try to make sure I keep using sudden doom procs to keep the 2 set bonus stacking and try not to stay RP capped. I don't even bother with ERW until BL wears off and there's actually a reason to use it.

[Deleted]

That's very debatable. The difference is so small it's basically a non-issue.

I'm also rune-capped on burst at 5528 haste. I just try to make sure I keep using sudden doom procs to keep the 2 set bonus stacking and try not to stay RP capped. I don't even bother with ERW until BL wears off and there's actually a reason to use it.

The difference is small in an ideal situation. But Blood Tap also allows you to bridge high haste situations by storing additional ressources. Which in the end means you can have higher haste levels without capping.

During high haste scenarios like bloodlust on the pull you can also do temporary festerblight rotation (replace scourgestrike with festering). This will mean you can carry your high dps diseases from the pull longer and result in a minor dps increase (at least if you would be haste capping with normal rotation).

[Schizoide]

Yep, you're right of course. Those are the types of low-benefit high-maintenance scenarios that separate the truly elite players from the rest of us, and simcraft profiles don't account for all of them. Most people don't bother to optimize their play for such small benefits.