SV opener - what are you doing?

[Namor of Muradin]

I currently do not have the multistrike trinket, so am running Ted instead. Usually run AMOC, since most times I use SV are for single target encournters. Here is my current opener:

1) SS/RF
2) ES
3) BA
4) Stampede
5) AmoC (I hit the 60 focus point about .2 sec after my GCD is ready)
6) CS (or ES if LnL procc'd)
7) GT (or ES if LnL procc'd)

Any thoughts, suggestions, critiques, other approaches?

[Hoofey]

Id use BA before SrS for a higher chance to procc LnL during trinketproccs.
I also tend to use GT before ES to get that god damn AoC trinket to procc, but thats just me.
I've gone through a whole BL duration before that bastard trinket procced.

I use Toth btw.

[reef]

i do es, ss, ba, rf+stampede, fervor+crows, gt.

Because i get the perfect amount of focus, i open with:

ES, sting, BA, stampede, Crows, (cobra)/glaives

You want to use BA as soon as possible not only to force lnl asap, but also if AoC procs instantl, you wanna get the 2nd cast off before the trinket expires, stampede is more dps than crows so should be cast before, you need sting up to get viper venom ticking in order to, and ES is just to proc trinkets

[Glurp]

Prepot + Serpent Sting
Stampede
Crows
Synapse Springs + Black Arrow
Fervor + Explosive Shot
Glaive Toss
Rapid Fire + Arcane Shot
etc etc etc

I honestly don't see any better way to do it. Gets CDs out early to get maximum uptime of them during procs then basic spell priority.

[Hound02]

I haven't been using crows (although, I know its definitely viable!)

But my opener is:

Pre-Pot just before 1 on timer, tanks / someone pre-casting tend to pull before timer finishes properly :P

1) Explosive Shot + Synapse
2) Black Arrow
3) Serpent Sting
4) Stampede
*LnL Procs if procced* - If not procced i follow on by..
5) Glaive Toss
6) Rapid Fire + Cobra Shot
7) ToTH Arcane Shot (However, LnL is usually available around / in-between glaive toss and a cobra shot on average)
8) Explosive Shot

Continue with normal rotation.

I also use ToTH, I find it provides me higher numbers in general personally!

Edit: If I were to fit crows in there, I would make the rapid fire / cobra shot after the serpent sting -> Crows -> Stampede then follow on with the rest of the opener, LnL will most likely proc after the or just before the stampede at a guess!

[Deleted]

I have been tweaking my opening a lot lately since I play survival on HC Garrosh, instead of BM that I am more used to.
My current opening looks like this most of the time:

*Lay traps (explosive and ice trap especially) if possible, depending on the boss*
Precast Glaive Toss
Pre-Pot
1)Serpent Sting
2)Stampede+Rapid Fire
3)Explosive shot
4)BA
5)Cobra Shot
6)Murder of Crows

And then depending on procs I start the normal rotation of arcanes, explosives and cobras as required. I sometimes do drop serpent sting for later, in favor of applying BA earlier.

[Deleted]

1. Pre-pot Glaive Toss
2. Explosive shot
3. Black Arrow + Synapse Springs
4. Rapid Fire + Stampede
5. Multi-shot if TotH procced, Serpent Sting if it hasn't
6. Spam Explosive shot if 4pc has procced then cast aMoC if you have enough focus after the string of shots has finished, if the 4 piece hasn't procced cobra shot then Arcane Shot
7. Explosive shot
8. Cobra shot Once if you had a proc of TotH for the last Arcane Shot and twice if you didn't
9. AMoC

Think that's roughly what I open with, probably could've worded it better but i'm tired.

[Raicky]

Question : Does stampede benefit from trinket procs ? If yes, Does it update dynamically as crows, or does it snapshot ?

[reef]

Question : Does stampede benefit from trinket procs ? If yes, Does it update dynamically as crows, or does it snapshot ?

yes and dynamically. :P

[captaincoffeecup]

I'm still experimenting with SV as I generally prefer BM, but a couple of general points:

1: Always put Hunter's Mark up before the pull.
2: Always cast misdirect! I use a macro for my two tanks that announces which one has MD on them to /raid.
3: Start at max range and pre-cast glaive toss with a second to spare on your pull count.
4: I find that having a macro for your pre-pot/pre-cast is nice so I use the following:

#showtooltip
/use [nocombat] Virmen's Bite
/cast Glaive Toss

This macro allows me to use Virmen's Bite out of combat and cast Glaive Toss as normal.

My current opener is this:

-6: Put up Misdirect on correct tank
-5: Hunter's Mark
-1: Precast Macro
0: Explosive Shot Macro
1: Black Arrow
2: Serpent Sting
3: Rapid fire/Stampede Macro
4: Fervor
5: A Murder of Crows
6: If Lock and Load has proc'ed then spam until 4 piece bonus runs out. If not then Cobra Shot and into my priority list.

I'm opening around 800K as SV with Stormlash up (no crit banner in our team at the minute). For reference here is my armoury.

[Keny]

Opening at 1.2mil steady to around 750k on the first 40 seconds at 572 ilvl

All the usual stuff obviously , Hunters mark, misdirect if needed.

-ES+RF
-BA
-Stampede
-CS
-AMOC
-SS
- If LnL then spam ES, If not then Proceed to normal CD Prio's.

GLHF

[Deleted]

For an orc without bloodlust on pull:

ES
rapid/stampede/synapse macro
ba
crows
cobra shot
es
serpent sting
glaive toss

[Namor of Muradin]

Some great ideas in here! Thanks for the responses.

[Deleted]

Some great ideas :P

[Hoofey]

I just wish the survival opener could be more reliable.

Opening with 700k on one pull and then 1.2 mill on the next pull just because you had some luck with AoC and LnL is very annoying.

[Deleted]

I just wish the survival opener could be more reliable.

Opening with 700k on one pull and then 1.2 mill on the next pull just because you had some luck with AoC and LnL is very annoying.

You can always force a LnL procc with trap after the opener.

[Deleted]

thanks for the ideas, i feel like my shot rotation need works.

[Hoofey]

You can always force a LnL procc with trap after the opener.

Wait, that works on bosses now?

E: Nvm, quick test on dummies said it doesnt work.

[Deleted]

You can always force a LnL procc with trap after the opener.

Yes, but getting 10 ES LnL chain can't be forced.

[Deleted]

ice trap procs lnl only if the target is NOT inmune to snares.

btw i delay stampede until AoC procs, sometimes it takes a few seconds after the pull