San'layn: your opinion.

[Deleted]

There's actually a Horde Grimtotem Faction, lead by Jevan "Stormsong" Grimtotem, which stands as one of Baine's MOST trusted advisors http://wowpedia.org/Jevan_Grimtotem there's a significant population of Horde Grimtotem, it's like a fraction of the whole of the Grimtotem tribe, but there is a significant presence since they're their own sub-faction within a faction.

Also, San'layn as a sub-race... The question seems redundant since they're already added in your list of sub-races under their proper name Darkfallen. Anyways, there are currently 2 surviving Blood Princes, probably with a following of a few supporters, nothing in the form of an army, more like a tiny warband enough to defend themselves, and then a TCG Darkfallen named Blood Lord Vorath is a survivor too.

And as said, the Azotha doesn't exist in lore... The forsaken part of that quest of looking at your ancestors with Lorewalker Cho is pretty much proof, there's Undead first, then humans, then vrykul, nothing between humans and vrykul. So yeah, Azotha doesn't exist in lore.

[delicousaids]

I feel it's entirely possible they could rejoin with the Horde; but I'd prefer them not to, really.

[Wewlad]

Can't RP as a San'layn, but anyone who tries to claim totality for all of the Darkfallen(which is a subrace, not a group like the former)are ignorant. This mindset of needing everything to be completely one way or the other is just silly.

[Viradiance]

Every sub-race idea is fucking awful.

[Zoaric]

Every sub-race idea is fucking awful.

Dragonmaw, Wildhammer, Dark Iron... really?

[Deleted]

Dragonmaw isn't a sub-race.

[Yunru]

Well i can see them role-playeable. But not as friendly. Something like vampires. Only out when dark and hunting for a fresh blood and souls on roads.

And some of them did survive....remember there are 2 ways to go up to the queen.

[Nekrotix]

I really hate the San'layn.
People keep on saying that "Status: Defunct" means that some survived. But do you see that thing AFTER that? (ALL DARKFALLEN DECEASED) It says NOTHING about "All notable Darkfallen deceased" it says ALL OF THEM. THEY ARE DEAD STOP TRYING TO MAKE TWILIGHT CANON.

[The Madgod]

I really hate the San'layn.
People keep on saying that "Status: Defunct" means that some survived. But do you see that thing AFTER that? (ALL DARKFALLEN DECEASED) It says NOTHING about "All notable Darkfallen deceased" it says ALL OF THEM. THEY ARE DEAD STOP TRYING TO MAKE TWILIGHT CANON.

I mean... again...

http://wowpedia.org/Darkfallen

http://wowpedia.org/San%27layn

There's zero mention of all Darkfallen being deceased. In fact, the only times when it says "deceased" is under the category of "NOTABLE Darkfallen."

Defunct means that something is no longer existing or functioning, which is accurate for the faction All the known major players for it have been killed. However there is zero confirmation that the entirety of their subrace was wiped out. Again, only the major players. Ambiguity is not equivalent to confirmation.

[Nekrotix]

I mean... again...

http://wowpedia.org/Darkfallen

http://wowpedia.org/San%27layn

There's zero mention of all Darkfallen being deceased. In fact, the only times when it says "deceased" is under the category of "NOTABLE Darkfallen."

Defunct means that something is no longer existing or functioning, which is accurate for the faction All the known major players for it have been killed. However there is zero confirmation that the entirety of their subrace was wiped out. Again, only the major players. Ambiguity is not equivalent to confirmation.

I see Deceased (Lore) under many notable Darkfallen, there are only 3 who's whereabouts are unknown. But still, if they exist, there's a small number of them. I just get worried that if one shows up, then there's going to be another, and another, and another, until they could make a whole guild full of the damn people, which is so against lore.
The Darkfallen and San'layn, IMO, might just be a race I don't like because not many people do it right, and that whole "Defunct" thing is there. I wish Blizz would give us a definite answer so we could just end these debates on whether or not they exist. My hope is they say "The Darkfallen are all dead", but most likely they'll give some other ambiguous answer like "Well, some are still out there..."

But still. I just don't like Darkfallen simply because of how most people just want a reason to be a "Oh, look, I'm a pretty/awesome vampire who sucks blood and can turn into a bat" or something like that. I'm not saying all do, but I'm just saying it's not like Dragon RP'ers. I've heard stories of GOOD Dragon RP'ers, I've never heard of a good Vampire RPer. Find me a good Darkfallen RP character, then I might put them higher than Demon RPers.

OT: Darkfallen Sub-race won't work for similar reasons. There aren't enough to justify a whole sub-race.

Edit: This was pretty everywhere, I'm sorry if this isn't written in the most sensible way, I just hope I got my point across. It's 11:08 p.m. ATM and I'm tired. Should prolly go to bed.

[foxHeart]

Really have no interest in seeing subraces come to fruition at all, but different colors for orcs and dwarves wouldn't be excessive, I don't think. I don't rabidly support it because I really don't care, but it would make some sense, wouldn't be hard to implement, and wouldn't bother me. Just about anything else added onto the list outside those two races is nothing more than people awkwardly tacking on things that don't belong there in order to fabricate some way for the races to have some kind of equality as far as choices go. That is extremely inorganic to me. Some just flat out don't make sense. ...gilgoblins? Mecha-gnomes? Could they potentially be made to "make sense". Sure, but with this list, you may as well not even be playing Alliance or Horde. You'd just be choosing from a huge list of creatures/beings that are loosely related to races in the Horde/Alliance, so whatever, we can bring them into the fold and call them Horde/Alliance, too. Just because. I mean, really...WoW's not a moba. You can't just swap skins and pretend like everything should be compatible. They should at least respect their own lore enough to not throw years of fiction under the bus just because people are bored with the character customization options.

[Koryn123]

I think it would be cool if Blizzard made sub race skins/glyphs available for certain races purely for cosmetic purposes.

Night Elves: High Elves for Alliance who wanna be High Elves, but so that Blizzard doesn't have to make a starting area for them or anything. Maybe Fiery Night Elves.

Worgen: Old SFK Worgen, Saurok, these jungle cat humanoids on Draenor, perhaps.

Human: Cult of the Damned tattoos, maybe?

Gnome: Leper Gnome.

Dwarf: Frost, Dark Iron, Wildhammer tattoos, Ulduar type of Dwarves.

Draenei: Eredar and Mogu, maybe.

Orc: Mag'har, Dragonmaw/Blackrock, Chaos-Orc (Red), Fel-Orc (Red-Spiky)

Tauren: Taunka, Yaungol.

Troll: Sandy color Trolls, Forest Troll colors and physique, Drakkari Troll colors and physique, Zandalari colors and physique.

Undead: Undead-textured Elf, since many Forsaken are undead High/Blood Elves lorewise. Maybe normal Forsaken with Elf ears, or to look like Dark Rangers with the red eyes.

Goblin: Maybe the underwater goblins?

Blood Elf: Fel-Blood Elf, High Elf, San'layn, Dark Ranger.


Also a few class ones.

Death Knight: The choice to change your eye color based on spec, Green for Unholy, Blue for Frost, and Red for Blood.

Paladin: Blood Knights should have red light, Tauren orange, Draenei light blue, humans/dwarves plain old yellow.

Priests: Night Elf priests should have white/purplish white, Draenei light blue, humans/dwarves/Blood Elves/Everyone else plain old yellow. Maybe Trolls should get white with a tinge of green, being all jungly and whatnot.

[Deleted]

San'layn is a flat out no, They are Scourge Loyalists, they'd be kill on sight simple as, also to say you could have a whole race on them, not anymore, there were only a handful made by the Lich King when Kael'thas and Illidan traveled to the Frozen Throne to try kill Arthas and at this day they are believed to be extinct or only few in hiding, you will never see the San'layn growing in people, it's just a dying race that is hostile to the Horde/Alliance Grimtotem also are Hostile I believed. Demon Hunters also is a Class not a race, even so it'd have to be a Hero Class and also the Demon Hunter only wears a kilt, glaives and a blind fold, in one situation shoulder pads but traditionally only a kilt, so you'd have to bring out loads of invisible gear for them, as for Gilgoblins, they're in service of Queen Azshara I believe and Highborne are not a race really, theyre just a higher class of Kal'dorei who believed they were superior since they were great at wielding Arcane in their time, aswell Naaru Blessed is basically all modern Draenei, Auchenai.. They're just a bunch of shadow priests, ghosts and so on, hostile too, Draenei probably see them as enemies too who need to be purged.

[Koryn123]

Weren't the San'layn bound to the Lich King's will as his undead? In which case, I find it entirely plausible that once we killed Arthas, some of them regained free will and feel similar to Sylvanas. Possibly even joining the Forsaken. Sylvanas did say "the more intelligent Scourge became unemployed," and the San'layn definitely fall into that category.

The San'layn were no more evil than any other undead, everything they did under the Scourge was not of their own volition. They hated the Scourge in life, and were killed and raised into their service. I can't imagine any of them serving willingly.

They're no more Scourge loyalists than Darion or Thassarian was before the Battle for Light's Hope.

[Nathreim]

I think if were gonna do subspecies we cant force them to fit just so every race has one. Dark Iron/Wildhammer and Forest Trolls/Maghar Orcs fit and have lore already supporting them.

But Azotha(who dont exist anymore), Demon Hunter(Which is not a subrace), Highborne(who dont have any differences physicaly than Night Elves), MechaGnomes, Sand Gnomes, Naaru Blessed, Wolfcult, Emerald Worgen, Forsaken High-Elves(lore supports them but we have too many Elves as is), Ice/Sand Trolls, and Gilgoblin just don't fit the bill or have other problems

[Ashiraya]

I think it's perfectly fine some San'layn survived. Like, half a dozen. A dozen or two at a stretch. We were thorough in killing all San'layn we saw, but there's closed doors in ICC that we did not enter.

Those San'layn would not hang around Wayfarer's, though.

Edit: Durp, did not check the date. Sorry!

[cloudkiller213]

Tbh I would love to role play as a darkfallen

[Friendlyimmolation]

I could see them joining sylvanas.

[Lynneiah]

San'layn sound like they would fit perfectly with the kind of Special Snowflake Mary Sue RP that I hate. I can see undead elves working as a part of the Forsaken (as in, the elves that were killed by the Scourge in Quel'Thalas, then raised, then won their freedom under Sylvanas), but please, let the San'layn stay dead.

[Deleted]

I could see Sylvanas allying with the few San'layn/Darkfallen left in the inevitable showdown where we kill her. The only things remaining are... Choosing the successor, but eh Nathanos Blightcaller is good enough for it.