Moscow, 20 fifteen year old students being held hostage by a gunman

[Ashnazg]

You have no idea how right you are. :-/


They just found guilty and charged 15 y/o girl using the "anti gay propaganda law" and put her on the "underaged criminal offenders" list, though actual criminal charges were dropped, because "she didn't rape anyone". So, what did she do? She openly admitted her homosexuality to her classmates and stated that she is a normal person, as good an everyone else, thus implying equality between "traditional" and gay relationships.


Off-topic, but still shows "the ostrich technique" of solving problems in Russia. Bet, the shooting guy felt like he was literally in the situation of "just suicide or go out guns blazing".

Or he could just be plain old crazy and upset at getting an "F" while being a straight A student.

And I suppose you have a link for the 15 year old girl story?

[Bakis]

Or he could just be plain old crazy and upset at getting an "F" while being a straight A student.

And I suppose you have a link for the 15 year old girl story?

He is lying. We have been told russia has no homosexual people, at least no in their town by the mayor in Moscow and Sochi

[Mithfin]

Or he could just be plain old crazy and upset at getting an "F" while being a straight A student.

And I suppose you have a link for the 15 year old girl story?

http://top.rbc.ru/society/03/02/2014/902997.shtml

...also, search engines are quite sophisticated nowadays, you know. Information in my message was more than enough to find it yourself.

[Mormolyce]

Well at least it ended better than Beslan.

[Bakis]

Well at least it ended better than Beslan.

Or the 190 dead guest workers slaving to build the olympics, most of them without pay.

[DEATHETERNAL]

It reads like he survived. Hopefully the Russians will fix that.

[someotherguy]

wow ... someone quoted:

President Putin says..."young Russians are suffering from a moral vacuum left by the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991."

Wow ... just wow. he thinks it was better back then ... maybe for him, but not for those who escaped.

edit: quote is from this article: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A120C920140203

[Tackhisis]

http://top.rbc.ru/society/03/02/2014/902997.shtml

In your retelling you have conveniently dropped the word 'systematically'.

he thinks it was better back then ... but not for those who escaped.

It was better back then. Escaped where? Come on, tell us a story.

[Ehrenpanzer]

you fucking people disgust me, everyone aboard the russia and putin hate bandwagon.

Got nothing against Russia in general. Putin is a fucking retard

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It was better back then. Escaped where? Come on, tell us a story.

I love people that talk shit defending hardcore communism. Be one the the millions of innocent people being "interviewed" by the KGB THEN come talk about the socialist paradise of the USSR

[someotherguy]

Escaped where? Come on, tell us a story.

Escaped anywhere pretty much. If you're asking me if I'm a Jew (by where), yes I am, but we got Ukrainians living here, they openly dislike Jews, but perfectly happy here (in US, NJ). Out of people I know of in Australia, Canada, US and Israel everyone's is happy to be out of there. Jews and non-Jews as well.

It was bad, I mean I don't know exactly what you have there, but you'd be better off financially and socially someplace else. Plenty of pure Russians living in US, don't be threatened.

[Charge me Doctor]

I'm saying they somehow were able to establish it was not planned and premeditated and simply choose the most convenient explenation a bit TOO quickly.

Totally not planned. He have got a hunting rifle, and he shot teacher twice, in stomach and head after checking if he was alive.

How is this thread even related to Putin and/or gay people?

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Escaped anywhere pretty much. If you're asking me if I'm a Jew (by where), yes I am, but we got Ukrainians living here, they openly dislike Jews, but perfectly happy here (in US, NJ). Out of people I know of in Australia, Canada, US and Israel everyone's is happy to be out of there. Jews and non-Jews as well.

It was bad, I mean I don't know exactly what you have there, but you'd be better off financially and socially someplace else. Plenty of pure Russians living in US, don't be threatened.

Pure Russians don't exist from, like 1700

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wow ... someone quoted:

Wow ... just wow. he thinks it was better back then ... maybe for him, but not for those who escaped.

edit: quote is from this article: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A120C920140203

And i guess you don't understand what "moral vacuum" is

[someotherguy]

Totally not planned. He have got a hunting rifle, and he shot teacher twice, in stomach and head after checking if he was alive.

How is this thread even related to Putin and/or gay people?

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Pure Russians don't exist from, like 1700

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And i guess you don't understand what "moral vacuum" is

You right, I am not sure what you're talking about, feel free to explain. The context of 'pure Russians' I meant those that don't get discriminated in Russia. As for 'moral vacuum', I believe it refers to having no morals, I'm not sure what you are referring to. A lot of people left because they weren't wanted, were discriminated against, things of that sort. If you're implying they left because they lack morals, that's not true. If you mean other countries don't have morals ... it's quite the contrary, acceptance of differences is better in other countries.

[Charge me Doctor]

You right, I am not sure what you're talking about, feel free to explain. The context of 'pure Russians' I meant those that don't get discriminated in Russia. As for 'moral vacuum', I believe it refers to having no morals, I'm not sure what you are referring to. A lot of people left because they weren't wanted, were discriminated against, things of that sort. If you're implying they left because they lack morals, that's not true. If you mean other countries don't have morals ... it's quite the contrary, acceptance of differences is better in other countries.

There is a "moral vacuum" in a way of teens being unsure about morals. 20 years ago, kids were strictly brought up to USSR moral standarts (respect parents, don't bother strangers, and other things), now after iron curtain have dropped, "kids these days" know from internet and other media that it's ok to rebel your parents (back then, even arguing your father when he is obviously wrong was a death sentence), to have little to no respect to strangers and they are confused and don't know how they should act. It's confusing to know that your parents taught you things that are not accepted or not required in another society, that's kind of context behind "moral vacuum" used in Putins' quote.

Again, if you would live in Russia, you would know that everyone discriminates everyone here. I don't know how to explain it, but it's how it works. A lot of people left Russia because they were underpaid or was "bought" by other countries, because it used to be much harder to live in Russia 20 years ago.

I imply that USSR and Russia are two different countries, after USSR collapse, USSR morals are empty and have to power, But Russia haven't even developed its own morals and thanks to pressure from media teens gets confused, because people who are in charge of Russia are from USSR (back then, even holding hands in public were unacceptable by morale standarts) and when they see teens kissing on public, it's outrages them and they propose stupid laws to prevent it. It's easily understandable, i think, but their approach is wrong, we have to move on from USSR moral standarts.
Basically, yes, teens don't have any morals.

[Mormolyce]

you fucking people disgust me, everyone aboard the russia and putin hate bandwagon.

There are PLENTY of legitimate reasons to hate Putin. Like a lot of Russians do. Which tends to get them put in jail...

Russia can't quite kick the habit of ruthless authoritarian rulers.

wow ... someone quoted:

Wow ... just wow. he thinks it was better back then ... maybe for him, but not for those who escaped.

edit: quote is from this article: http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A120C920140203

Heh, every country has people who claim that the collapse of old diseased social institutions leaves a "moral vacuum" and tries to pin modern woes on that, carefully avoiding mentioning the terrible sins of said institutions. We call them "conservatives". It's just even more egregious when the rotten institution in question was the USSR.

[Mithfin]

In your retelling you have conveniently dropped the word 'systematically'.
It was better back then. Escaped where? Come on, tell us a story.

So, a person should consider herself normal one day and not-normal next day? And, anyways, why does it even matter? Do we have a right to break the law 1 time I don't know about? Or two times? Or three?

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There is a "moral vacuum" in a way of teens being unsure about morals. 20 years ago, kids were strictly brought up to USSR moral standarts (respect parents, don't bother strangers, and other things)

Really now? in 1994? Fuck, even in 1974 the amount of shitheads who ate these USSR "moral standarts" of yours was about the same as the percentage of glass-eyed pro-Putin young "aktivists" today.

[Deleted]

Hey, at least the Spetsnaz didn't come with a tank to blow the school up.

They didn't even seem to have OMOH present there, let alone the Spetsnaz, although I don't doubt they would've showed up had it escalated.

[Mithfin]

Also, I'm not buying a "straight A student who got mad at teacher over the bad grade". Come on, there is no way some young teacher would be able to threaten a golden medal (or honors diploma from this year) of a pupil, we all know that. Any principal would eat the teacher alive for that. To graduate a person who recognized on a federal level as the exceptional student is a good publicity for a school and often even additional financial donations from the federal government. All potential "medalists" are always under the closest attention from the school management for at least two last years. They monitor grades of these guys and gals and if there is any threat to the desired result, they investigate it immediately. And students know that.

[Deleted]

Well... This escalated quickly....
Bakis, what happened to you. I don't recall you being so... "Extreme" in your views.
I mean... Slaves building the olympics?!
What... When... How does that relate to the matter at hand?
Criticising official statements that the guy suffered a mental breakdown?
Well you must be if you find yourself in a school with THOSE intentions...

By the way glad to hear it didn't end up in a catastrophe as in previous circumstances.
The bashing in here is out of control. I'm shocked.

[Ashnazg]

Got nothing against Russia in general. Putin is a fucking retard

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I love people that talk shit defending hardcore communism. Be one the the millions of innocent people being "interviewed" by the KGB THEN come talk about the socialist paradise of the USSR

*shrug* I lived in USSR during the 80ies and early 90ies (before democracy kicked in) and my mother lived there during 60ies and 70ies. The KGB was a non-factor for probably 95% of Russian population after Stalin went away, so yeah, it was a golden age.

I agree with the sentiment that it was better "back in the day". Maybe it was simply because mass media today is far more thorough and far-reaching, so it exposes more dirt on society, or maybe people were actually better when they were driven by socialist ideals as opposed to capitalist greed. Who knows. I only have my experiences to draw upon.

There are PLENTY of legitimate reasons to hate Putin. Like a lot of Russians do. Which tends to get them put in jail...

Russia can't quite kick the habit of ruthless authoritarian rulers.

Russian rulers come in two varieties - spineless pro-Western toadies or autocrats. Given the binary distribution, it really becomes a simple choice.