Immigration = waves of democratic voters

[swineflu]

Is that what the issue is REALLY about? not security...not economics...not the melting pot ideal...

What do you think?



Check out these op eds:

"Unfortunately for the GOP, there are reasons to doubt that immigration reform will significantly boost Republican fortunes. In particular, survey data indicate that immigrants are well to the left of the American public on a number of key issues -- a fact that is important not only for political strategists, but also for anyone contemplating the ways in which an overhaul of immigration policy might change the country's demographics."
http://www.realclearpolicy.com/artic...ze_the_us.html



"Both Hispanics and Asians, who account for about three-fourth of today’s immigrants, generally agree with the Democrats’ big-government agenda. It is for this reason that they vote two-to-one for Democrats.
The 2008 National Annenberg Election Survey found that 62 percent of immigrants prefer a single, government-run health-care system. The 2010 Cooperative Congressional Election Study found that 69 percent of immigrants support Obamacare. Pew also found that 53 percent of Hispanics have a negative view of capitalism, the highest of any group surveyed. This is even higher than the 47 percent among self-identified supporters of Occupy Wall Street.
The Pew Research Center has also found that 75 percent of Hispanics prefer a “bigger government providing more services,” and only 19 percent prefer a smaller government. Pew also reported that 55 percent of Asians prefer “bigger government providing more services,” and only 36 percent prefer a smaller government. So it’s no surprise that in 2012, 71 percent of Hispanics and 73 percent of Asians voted for Obama.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...yllis-schlafly




"Immigrants -- all immigrants -- have always been the bulwark of the Democratic Party. For one thing, recent arrivals tend to be poor and in need of government assistance. Also, they're coming from societies that are far more left-wing than our own. History shows that, rather than fleeing those policies, they bring their cultures with them. (Look at what New Yorkers did to Vermont.)
This is not a secret. For at least a century, there's never been a period when a majority of immigrants weren't Democrats. At the current accelerated rate of immigration -- 1.1 million new immigrants every year -- Republicans will be a fringe party in about a decade. Thanks to endless polling, we have a pretty good idea of what most immigrants believe. According to a Harris poll, 81 percent of native-born citizens think the schools should teach students to be proud of being American. Only 50 percent of naturalized U.S. citizens do. While 67 percent of native-born Americans believe our Constitution is a higher legal authority than international law, only 37 percent of naturalized citizens agree.
No wonder they vote 2-1 for the Democrats. "
http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/20...html#read_more

[stumpy]

Spit on immigrants as a class, act surprised when they don't vote for you. Logic!

Also, Ann Coulter.

[Rennadrel]

Considering how snide and condescending the Republicans tend to be towards those who aren't so well off, including immigrants, of course they aren't getting those votes. But then again, they aren't getting votes because they have too many backwards thinkers and too many ignorant agendas within their own party, not to mention some completely retarded presidential candidates and members of congress/senate. They won't win an election until they have a party reform and change the agendas of the party at both the state and federal levels, otherwise their ignorance and intolerance will continue to haunt them in elections.

[LilSaihah]

Why would you vote for a government that wouldn't want you to enter the country? Not to place a positive or negative value on tight immigration, but if you're a fresh immigrant, you have a personal bias in that debate and your decision won't be rooted in what's best for the country.

[Spectral]

Republicans actually used to hold down the Asian-American vote. It turns out othering rhetoric tends to turn people away after awhile.

[RicardoZ]

The OP is leaving out a lot of factors. History shows that the longer immigrants (especially hispanics/latinos) are in the USA, the greater the chance they will vote Republican. This is why even with 34% of the population in Texas being hispanic/latino, the Republicans can still pull about 40% of them.

Now imagine by 2050 when 36% of the entire country is hispanic/latino and 40% of the "dreamers'" grandkids vote Republican, quite little will change. The Democrats might hold sway for a while, but history shows that the pendulum swings back and forth between the two parties very reliably among different generations.

So yea, the GOP really doesn't have much to fear about the entire USA having the same demographics that Texas has now.

Also, with the rise of prominent conservative hispanic/latino candidates, they're going to eventually pull the sheet off of the Democrats' social agenda that they have taken great pains to hide from the Spanish-speaking public. It's pretty telling that Obama's 2012 campaign website cleverly omitted any mention of the President's stances on abortion or gay marriage on its Spanish version.

[Endus]

It's a pretty sad day when;

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door. "

is seen as "liberal Democrat rhetoric", rather than a fundamentally American ethic.

[Rukentuts]

Of course this is what it's all about. This is why they don't want to give "illegals" (they were carried across the border as kids) "amnesty" otherwise the Democrats gain millions of voters.

[Tirivaria]

Is that what the issue is REALLY about? not security...not economics...not the melting pot ideal...



"Both Hispanics and Asians, who account for about three-fourth of today’s immigrants, generally agree with the Democrats’ big-government agenda. It is for this reason that they vote two-to-one for Democrats.
The 2008 National Annenberg Election Survey found that 62 percent of immigrants prefer a single, government-run health-care system. The 2010 Cooperative Congressional Election Study found that 69 percent of immigrants support Obamacare. Pew also found that 53 percent of Hispanics have a negative view of capitalism, the highest of any group surveyed. This is even higher than the 47 percent among self-identified supporters of Occupy Wall Street.
The Pew Research Center has also found that 75 percent of Hispanics prefer a “bigger government providing more services,” and only 19 percent prefer a smaller government. Pew also reported that 55 percent of Asians prefer “bigger government providing more services,” and only 36 percent prefer a smaller government. So it’s no surprise that in 2012, 71 percent of Hispanics and 73 percent of Asians voted for Obama.
http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...yllis-schlafly

It's not just asians and hispanics. The smallness of government espoused by the American conservative is an extreme compared to the rest of the world. Immigrants tend to have specific examples in mind of services they think government should be providing. The more Republicans say that the government shouldn't be doing something, the greater the tendency to lose those immigrant votes.

[Orbitus]

The OP is leaving out a lot of factors. History shows that the longer immigrants (especially hispanics/latinos) are in the USA, the greater the chance they will vote Republican. This is why even with 34% of the population in Texas being hispanic/latino, the Republicans can still pull about 40% of them.

Now imagine by 2050 when 36% of the entire country is hispanic/latino and 40% of the "dreamers'" grandkids vote Republican, quite little will change. The Democrats might hold sway for a while, but history shows that the pendulum swings back and forth between the two parties very reliably among different generations.

So yea, the GOP really doesn't have much to fear about the entire USA having the same demographics that Texas has now.

Also, with the rise of prominent conservative hispanic/latino candidates, they're going to eventually pull the sheet off of the Democrats' social agenda that they have taken great pains to hide from the Spanish-speaking public. It's pretty telling that Obama's 2012 campaign website cleverly omitted any mention of the President's stances on abortion or gay marriage on its Spanish version.

Not with the way Republicans keep shitting all over people of different colors. Its one way to change Latinos minds about the Republican party.

[Landin55]

It's a pretty sad day when;

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door. "

is seen as "liberal Democrat rhetoric", rather than a fundamentally American ethic.

Sums up everything. Damn /thread right there.

[Wells]

It's a pretty sad day when;

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door. "

is seen as "liberal Democrat rhetoric", rather than a fundamentally American ethic.

Hey hey hey, the French gave us that thing. It rude to refuse gifts and its kind of too obvious to regift it.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Spit on immigrants as a class, act surprised when they don't vote for you. Logic!

Also, Ann Coulter.

This plus,

It's a pretty sad day when;

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door. "

is seen as "liberal Democrat rhetoric", rather than a fundamentally American ethic.

When you run on a policy of xenophobia in a nation that was built by immigrants, don't expect to be too popular.

[Wixwix]

Republicans.. "democrats".. they're the same people.

[araine]

This attitudes towards immigrants is one of the main reason we will NEVER vote for republicans

[stumpy]

Republicans.. "democrats".. they're the same people.

Democrats today and Republicans twenty or thirty years ago, maybe.

[Poopymonster]

It's a pretty sad day when;

"Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed, to me:
I lift my lamp beside the golden door. "

is seen as "liberal Democrat rhetoric", rather than a fundamentally American ethic.

Robin Williams said it best.

"The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses.' She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'You want a piece of me?'" — Robin Williams

[therayeffect]

Ok the first survey pretty much shows that there is barely any difference between the citizens and immigrants outside of like 2 issues but the guy makes it seem like there is this huge gap in everything. The second two are just talking points and fear mongering. No real substance. What's really hilarious is after skimming these it seems all 3 of these seem to make it seem like Immigration is the problem and not the Republican party itself. These new age Republicans are so lost nowadays and their party is dwindling because of it. I feel like they'll be able to hold on to most of their seats for 2014 since they've gerrymandered the hell out of things but they're probably going to get shit on come 2016. The Republicans have really lost touch with the American people.

[Theinquisition]

My question is, obviously if someone is immigrating here they are doing so because things were worse in their homeland, so why would they be wanting to bring policies from those same home countries?

[stumpy]

My question is, obviously if someone is immigrating here they are doing so because things were worse in their homeland, so why would they be wanting to bring policies from those same home countries?

Go outside.