Top All-Time Donors, Koch Industries ranks 59th.

[mvaliz]

I see more stereotypical reds then blues.

I'm actually getting a bit concerned about the extreme behavior of the "red" side. While I see basic obama campaign stickers on many cars, I see weird custom things in other cars for Republicans.

For starters, one car had a bumper sticker that said "Lord, please save us from OBAMACARE!!"... nother truck had the annoying Calvin peeing onto the word "Liberals"... and last night I just saw somebody with a car with tinted windows with the vanity license plate "LESS GVMT" - which is rather ironic that he payed much more money to the government to get those vanity plates made.

EDIT: oh, forgot to mention the red festeva had a cardboard in the back window with the words written "What do you think of your lord and savior, the terrorist Obama now America? How's that Hope and Change working for you?"

EDIT2: It's not so much their belief in some conservative ideas that bother me... it's this weird extreme that it's going to that just seems to stem from vitriolic hate against the other side and bashing the other side as opposed to, you know, simply saying "support pro-choice" or other more meaningful messages of their side.

[Orbitus]

eh, makes sense. Money buys elections and Dems have been winning a lot recently.

Yet they spent less than the Republican/Romney side did in 2012 https://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/
Republicans spent about $125 million more than Democrats did in the 2012 election total.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Yet they spent less than the Republican/Romney side did in 2012 https://www.opensecrets.org/pres12/
Republicans spent about $125 million more than Democrats did in the 2012 election total.

As per his MO, Nostopit's OP is intentionally misleading, and doesn't include campaign funding via Super PACs, just direct donations. It's not secret that Republicans vastly outspend Democrats.

[Orbitus]

As per his MO, Nostopit's OP is intentionally misleading, and doesn't include campaign funding via Super PACs, just direct donations. It's not secret that Republicans vastly outspend Democrats.

Yeah not to mention that wasn't his post over the last 25 years? Now if you were to average it over the actual real lifetime of each say 25 years for the unions because most of them have been around for the entire time, and the average time of the Koch brothers pacs and donation history which is what? 6-8 years since the Tea party started and you will see the vast difference in spending.

[usiris]

You have to understand the far-left extremist mentality. There is nothing, I mean NOTHING, a lefty hates more than a conservative. For many of these people their political ideology is their religion. Their entire life is driven by their ideology. This is why leftists politicize everything. As conservatives, the Koch brothers are seen as a mortal enemy that must be destroyed at all costs. All you have to do is read these forums and see how they react to anybody with a conservative viewpoint. The moderators infract them and the posters call them every name in the book.

Thats a fair bit of projection you're doing there.

[satimy]

Thats a fair bit of projection you're doing there.

you know its sad but true

[Lareeyon]

Donations are only good for tax breaks and public image. There is no selflessness in this world.

[Felya]

6-8 years since the Tea party started and you will see the vast difference in spending.

That's the catch, Tea Part works through PACs, like freedom works and quite a few others. Those donations are not counted towards the total the OP displays. Freedom works outspent what Koch industries reported over 25 years, in 2013 alone.

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you know its sad but true

No, it's really not true at all. He is generalizing people he disagrees with, going as far as to call it a religion. Something that should highlight the epitome of bias, perceiving disagreement as an unwavering doctrine. That whole post could result in an infraction, because it's pretty insulting to mods and posters of this forum, as well as taking a shot at religion. Yet, has the gull to complain about getting infracted.

It's as true as a sports coach complaining about bad calls, to sway calls from a referee...

[Aeluron Lightsong]

you know its sad but true

No it's pure projection. Don't be an enabler.

[satimy]

No it's pure projection. Don't be an enabler.

Enable what, differing opinions? I don't like generalizing anyone, but are you suggesting that their isn't a larger than average portion of posters that have very left wing authoritarian views?

[Felya]

Enable what, differing opinions? I don't like generalizing anyone, but are you suggesting that their isn't a larger than average portion of posters that have very left wing authoritarian views?

Yes, I'm willing to go as far as to say the disagreements that occur are very minor compared to magnitude of topics. For example this thread, where everyone is in agreement over lobbying being a bad thing. The thing that the disagreement hinges on, is the perceived nature of the donations, not the validity there of.

If folks stopped trying to fit an idealism or ascribe it to someone else, the disagreements are not fundamental, but minor. Without the rhetoric, it's usually not the action, but it's extent that's debated. People get infracted, when generalizations inherent in ascribing an idealism, become offensive.

We are talking about Internet forums here. Where you choose not only if you post, but who you respond to.