Will Tinkers be a class in WoW?

[Teriz]

Different names does not heal does not slow different ability

Crypt Lord:Locust Swarm (Ultimate)
Creates a swarm of angry locusts that bite and tear at nearby enemy units. As they chew the enemy flesh, they convert it into a substance that restores hit points to the Crypt Lord when they return.

Druid:Insect Swarm (removed)

The enemy target is swarmed by insects, dealing (455 + Spell power * 0.397) Physical damage every 2 sec for 12 sec.

Death Knight: Unholy Blight

A vile swarm of unholy insects surrounds the caster for a 10 yard radius. All enemies caught in the swarm take 860 damage per sec and are plagued with a disease that can stack up to 3 times. Lasts for 1 sec per 10 runic power.

Locust Swarm in game

Anub'Rekhan releases a locust swarm, slowing his movement by 25% and damaging all nearby enemies. Nearby enemies are unable to attack or cast spells.

The other Crypt Lord abilities are not used as well



Same name different ability

Beastmaster: Stampede
Calls down hordes of rampaging thunder lizards to explode upon the Beastmaster's enemies. Each exploding lizard does 60 damage.


Hunter: Stampede
Summons all of your pets to fight your current target for 20 sec. Your pets deal 25% of their normal damage in Arenas and Battlegrounds while summoned this way.

The other Beastmaster abilities are not used as well



Same name different ability

Naga Sea Witch: Mana Shield
Creates a shield that absorbs damage by using the Sea Witch's mana. Blocks 100% of incoming damage


Mage: Mana Shield
Enfolds the caster in a protective shield that lasts 1 min. and absorbs up to 30000 Physical damage, draining mana instead of health. Drains 1 mana per point of damage absorbed.


The other Naga Sea Witch abilities are not used as well

So wait, similar abilities with similar effects and sometimes the same names aren't related, but random lasers, bombs, etc. in Engineering are the same abilities as the Tinker hero?

Don't these posts;

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...0#post25971370
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post25971764
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post25971974
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post25972207

Make you a hypocrite?

Also Goblin Alchemist Abilities are not used and no I do not see them giving it to the "Tinker"

See Drilnos' post.

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Not even close. Suspension of disbelief only goes so far. We can suspend our disbelief when a lean Night Elf druid becomes a bear or a burly Tauren becomes a lean cat, or a big Dragon assumes humanoid form through magic means, since magic always trumps physics, but a huge automated factory that not only builds explosive robots who are almost as big as a normal humanoid, but also carry enough materials to build many of said robots, that is just way too much.

In your opinion.

[Hatecore]

So wait, similar abilities with similar effects and sometimes the same names aren't related, but random lasers, bombs, etc. in Engineering are the same abilities as the Tinker hero?

Don't these posts;

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...0#post25971370
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post25971764
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post25971974
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...1#post25972207

Make you a hypocrite?

I did the same thing you have been doing. thanks for admitting you are a hypocrite

[Teriz]

I did the same thing you have been doing thanks for admitting you are a hypocrite

Insect Swarm and Locust Swarm: Both have insects swarming around the target. Both deal nature damage over time. Both have the same icon.

Related ability.

Random Engineering bomb isn't the SAME THING as Grav-O bomb 3000. Heck, they're not even the same type of action. One is an item, and the other is an actual ability.

[Hatecore]

Insect Swarm and Locust Swarm: Both have insects swarming around the target. Both deal nature damage over time. Both have the same icon.

Related ability.

Random bomb isn't the SAME THING as Grav-O bomb 3000.

Right "it's the same thing unless it comes to your tinker then it's not." We know

[Teriz]

Right "it's the same thing unless it comes to your tinker then it's not." We know

I can buy this being a descendant of Cluster Rockets;

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=136297

I can buy this being a descendant of Healing Spray;

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=148085

I can even buy these being descendants of Acid Bomb;

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=115457

However, a Saronite Bomb being the same thing or as a representation of the Grav-O bomb? Nope.

[Hatecore]

I can buy this being a descendant of Cluster Rockets;

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=136297

I can buy this being a descendant of Healing Spray;

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=148085

I can even buy these being descendants of Acid Bomb;

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=115457

However, a Saronite Bomb being the same thing or as a representation of the Grav-O bomb? Nope.

Grav-O bomb
http://www.wowhead.com/spell=63024

XT-002 Deconstructor

[Teriz]

Npc abilities =/= Players

You mean like this current Paladin ability that was first used by an NPC?

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=80727#used-by-npc

Or this current DK ability that was originally used by an NPC?

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=69409

Or this current Warrior ability that was originally used by an NPC?

http://www.wowhead.com/spell=19135#used-by-npc

You get the point.

[Ielenia]

In your opinion.

Yep. My opinion based on logic (as much as we can apply to a 'Sword & Sorcery' game, of course) which mirrors the opinions of others, here in this thread. Yours? So far, you're the only one on your 'side' in that particular regard.

[Teriz]

Yep. My opinion based on logic (as much as we can apply to a 'Sword & Sorcery' game, of course) which mirrors the opinions of others, here in this thread. Yours? So far, you're the only one on your 'side' in that particular regard.

Your opinion is based on bias because you ignore leaps of logic in other aspects of the game, but attack leaps of logic with aspects of the game you dislike.

[Hatecore]

Your opinion is based on bias because you ignore leaps of logic in other aspects of the game, but attack leaps of logic with aspects of the game you dislike.

You should not ever speak of opinions being bias

and the gravity bomb is used by XT

[Teriz]

You should not ever speak of opinions being bias

Some of my opinions are biased, some are not.

Ielenia's opinion that I quoted is definitely biased.

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and the gravity bomb is used by XT

XT is in Engineering?

[Hatecore]

XT is in Engineering?

has the Ability on his spell list

[Ielenia]

Your opinion is based on bias because you ignore leaps of logic in other aspects of the game, but attack leaps of logic with aspects of the game you dislike.

What other 'leaps of logic' in the game are so huge as to be comparable to carrying a freaking robot factory in your pocket?

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Ielenia's opinion that I quoted is definitely biased.

Yes. And yours is completely, totally, 100% bias-free, right? [/sarcasm]

[Teriz]

What other 'leaps of logic' in the game are so huge as to be comparable to carrying a freaking robot factory in your pocket?

Carrying hundreds thousands of invisible kegs of beer for Keg smash, hundreds of thousands of invsible barrels of beer for Dizzying Haze, and hundreds of thousands of invisible bottles of Elusive, Purifying, and Nimble Brew. While still being able to roll around without any problem at all.

Yes. And yours is completely, totally, 100% bias-free, right? [/sarcasm]

Where did I say my opinions are 100% biased free? At least I can admit to having a biased opinion.

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has the Ability on his spell list

Okay, but its not in Engieering.

But thank you for further proving my point; The Tinker's abilities are perfectly viable for WoW inclusion, and are absent in the Engineering profession.

[Ielenia]

Carrying hundreds thousands of invisible kegs of beer for Keg smash, hundreds of thousands of invsible barrels of beer for Dizzying Haze, and hundreds of thousands of invisible bottles of Elusive, Purifying, and Nimble Brew. While still being able to roll around without any problem at all.

Hundreds of thousands? Nah, just a few hundred are good enough for a SoO run. Besides, we all re-stock before the fights. Which again is nothing compared to carrying 'a few hundred' exploding robot factories in your pocket. One bottle per use of brew ability, one factory per use of the 'robo-making factory'. A hundred bottles for a hundred uses of the brew ability, a hundred factories for the 'factory' ability. Capisce?

Where did I say my opinions are 100% biased free? At least I can admit to having a biased opinion.

I'm just saying, those with glass roofs shouldn't be tossing rocks at their neighbors' roofs. Saying my opinion may be 'biased' doesn't invalidade my arguments.

[Teriz]

Hundreds of thousands? Nah, just a few hundred are good enough for a SoO run. Besides, we all re-stock before the fights. Which again is nothing compared to carrying 'a few hundred' exploding robot factories in your pocket. One bottle per use of brew ability, one factory per use of the 'robo-making factory'. A hundred bottles for a hundred uses of the brew ability, a hundred factories for the 'factory' ability. Capisce?

And there's that bias again. You can come up with reasons why the Monk's nonsensical abilities work, but you give no such benefit to the Tinker class.

Who is to say that the Pocket Factory isn't simply a combination of magic and technology? Or simply that it is a highly advanced piece of technology?

Remember the Jetson's folding car? Why can't PF be similar tech?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjy-fnsmWR4

[Ielenia]

And there's that bias again. You can come up with reasons why the Monk's nonsensical abilities work, but you give no such benefit to the Tinker class.

I don't give the Tinkers that benefit because a robot factory is much bigger than a keg of beer or even a bottle. Remember we're talking something almost as big as a house here. You would be right in accusing me of bias if I didn't extend the Warriors and Shamans the same benefit I give monks, but not to that. Sorry.

Who is to say that the Pocket Factory isn't simply a combination of magic and technology? Or simply that it is a highly advanced piece of technology?

Said 'highly advanced piece of technology' doesn't exist anywhere in the world of Azeroth, not even mentions. No precedent. 'But tinkers can build advanced technology no one else can't'. No! That is BS reasoning, and you know it.

Remember the Jetson's folding car? Why can't PF be similar tech?

Hannah Barbera =/= Blizzard.

[Traveler Voltin]

robo factory was almost as big as the barracks in WC3.

[hrugner]

robo factory was almost as big as the barracks in WC3.

A scale carried over into WoW with the size of the robot factories in the tinker's court. Shit's big.

[Drilnos]

I don't give the Tinkers that benefit because a robot factory is much bigger than a keg of beer or even a bottle. Remember we're talking something almost as big as a house here. You would be right in accusing me of bias if I didn't extend the Warriors and Shamans the same benefit I give monks, but not to that. Sorry.

The goblin towns in Kezan, Lost Isles and Twilight Highlands came out of a box, fully formed. But the pocket factory does not have to be the same size as it was in WC3. It could be as simple as a flat teleport pad that brings in robots from a base, or it could be a contraption the size of a totem that spawns robots as big as companion pets. The point is in the functionality much more than the looks. A spawn point for walking bombs is all it is.

Edit:

Another thing just occurred to me. This is the branch of knowledge that produces the shrinking and enlarging rays. So there is a viable lore reason a town could fit in a box or a factory could fit in a pocket. Unlike most other examples of the use of hammerspace in class abilities.