6 Californias.

[Zachysaurus]

Long as sales tax doesn't go up, whatever.

This. My sales tax is already 9%

[obdigore]

Yeah, I've seen interesting maps (like this) where it divided up the US states by population (so that each state would be equal in population/representation).

I'm not sure where I saw it. But it was a similar thing as the above, but it had the US divided up in roughly ~a dozen states. Seemed like an interesting concept.

If a state by population legislation happened, would you then do away with the house, since it is supposed to be population based compared to the senate which is 2 per state?

[Sky High]

The fun part is really that the State of California has no jurisdiction to create new States. Even if it did subdivide the State into sub-states, EACH of those states would have to get Congressional approval to be a state, which is frankly much harder now than it was when most States were doing it 100 years ago. Further, the State has no right to grant State-like governing powers to these sub-states (which are essentially counties). Even if it did pass, it would be meaningless! The State of California does not have the authority to create or accept new States into the Union, that is purely, 100% the domain of the Federal Government.

like that stops the guy who would LOVE to see the "great liberal bastion" carved up.

[Seegtease]

6 seems excessive.

I don't know why people are aggressively and angrily against it, though. The idea of dividing into sections so laws can better represent the people living there rather than representing people on the other side of the state is a good idea. I mean, if you think dividing is automatically a horrible idea, why don't we just get rid of states altogether and only use the same laws and regulations for the entire country? You know why? Because that's an idiotic idea.

There's always good reason to divide a state, but you have to step back and look to see if it's actually necessary. I don't know much about California, so I don't know how necessary it is. But to dismiss the concept entirely simply because you hate the idea of dividing a state is just plain ignorant.

[Radux]

If a state by population legislation happened, would you then do away with the house, since it is supposed to be population based compared to the senate which is 2 per state?

I wouldn't (assuming I had a say in this theoretical idea actually happening). It still gives safety nets/oversight in the division of responsibilities (if that makes sense).

I also feel like all states would be important for electoral votes. Opposed to just saying "fuck ya lets only focus on these 6 swing states for the next 5 months".

[Templar 331]

A venture capitalist who feels

I stopped taking this article serious from this point on. A state that is "nearly ungovernable" is bullshit. "Lets split our state so we don't have the debt collectors coming to collect from the State of California. It will be easier if they think we are six separate states." Freaking asinine. Why don't we apply that idea to the U.S. Separate the North and South and see who will pay off the national debt, if they can.

[mvaliz]

He seems to idolize Ted Cruz, so don't expect even a glimmer of logic from him.

Honestly at this point I believe (hoping) that Nostop It idolizes Ted Cruz the same way Steve Colbert idolizes Bill O'Reily.

Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, can possibly be THAT politically devoted on a video game forum.

I think his name is meant as the punchline. You read the post, then you read his name... then it all makes sense...

[Nostop it]

Honestly at this point I believe (hoping) that Nostop It idolizes Ted Cruz the same way Steve Colbert idolizes Bill O'Reily.

Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, can possibly be THAT politically devoted on a video game forum.

I think his name is meant as the punchline. You read the post, then you read his name... then it all makes sense...

OT: We're out there whether you believe it or not. I went to high school with a kid who wore a USSR flag as a cape and a beret like 2 times a week(charter school). Some people have strong beliefs early on.

[Bladeface]

Yeah, I've seen interesting maps (like this) where it divided up the US states by population (so that each state would be equal in population/representation).

I'm not sure where I saw it. But it was a similar thing as the above, but it had the US divided up in roughly ~a dozen states. Seemed like an interesting concept.

but what about alaska? D: Also, "Bitterroot" "High Planes" and "Great Basin" sound like places in a video game so sounds good to me. Also high five for the great state of willamette, where our lord and savior Frank West fought off the entire population of zombies by himself with nothing but a nail gun and some traffic cones :P

[Airwaves]

What? shouldn't you be trying to make LESS states not more?

[Sky High]

OT: We're out there whether you believe it or not. I went to high school with a kid who wore a USSR flag as a cape and a beret like 2 times a week(charter school). Some people have strong beliefs early on.

real moment though. you post some satire.

[Prokne]

If a state by population legislation happened, would you then do away with the house, since it is supposed to be population based compared to the senate which is 2 per state?

The house would still give you a representative body that reflects the voting characteristics of the population. Kind of like a popular vote chamber. The Senate is more likely to be filled with just one side if there are a lot of states with close elections. A 60-40 state would have 2 democrat senators but also 6 democrat representatives and 4 republican reps.

[Cthulhu 2020]

It's a more complex version of Gerrymandering.

Split california into 6 states, rural California states get 2 senate seats each, which will tip the balance. It's another Republican power grab scheme like voter ID and land ownership votes.

Also, "State's rights" cries from Republicans is used more in the spirit of using it as a shield against following parts of the constitution they like than it is the original intention of state's rights. It's a blatant attack on liberties that Republicans don't agree with but the constitution guarantees.

[Prokne]

What? shouldn't you be trying to make LESS states not more?

I think so. Most people dont. They want their own little state where they can do whatever they want and then cry when the Supreme Court tells them its unconstitutional.

[obdigore]

The house would still give you a representative body that reflects the voting characteristics of the population. Kind of like a popular vote chamber. The Senate is more likely to be filled with just one side if there are a lot of states with close elections. A 60-40 state would have 2 democrat senators but also 6 democrat representatives and 4 republican reps.

Because this happens now? Sounds like you are asking for an end to gerrymandering more than advocating for the current election system.

[Jalopy]

50 states is too even, it'll never happen.

[zorkuus]

When the Farmer unites with the Hacker it's time for a change.

Oh noes different types of people are cooperating, it's the end of the world!

[Conspicuous Cultist]

What if sales taxes went down as a result of this, would you guys support this?

[Deleted]

The Farmer is uniting with a Hacker...so that's reason to split them apart? That makes no fucking sense. You're suggesting that because different types of people are working together, the best solution is to seperate them all out into their own little spechul areas?

NO FUCKING SENSE

If they have conflicting interests and the elected representatives end up representing only one of the sides, i think it makes perfectly sense to want to separate.

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Split california into 6 states, rural California states get 2 senate seats each, which will tip the balance. It's another Republican power grab scheme like voter ID and land ownership votes.

Also, "State's rights" cries from Republicans is used more in the spirit of using it as a shield against following parts of the constitution they like than it is the original intention of state's rights. It's a blatant attack on liberties that Republicans don't agree with but the constitution guarantees.

I bet if that happened, the liberal parts of Texas would also begin to organize a similar split, for example.

[Tastyfish]

I dunno, maybe you should split it into Civilised Texas and Redneckia or something.

Yea floating city-states among desert tribes. lol

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Oh noes different types of people are cooperating, it's the end of the world!

It MUST be stopped at all costs! It's too American.
Clearly only one person can represent one people after all.