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[Tarkol]

Wond if they will add more stuff to the black market AH for WoD

[Deleted]

At launch they said that this game would ever sell anything with real money. Then they said that they will sell server transfers as a favour to us (instead of giving them free), but would never sell anything in-game related. Then they said that the mounts and whatnot are only cosmetic, and that they would never sell anything that has impact on the game. Now they are saying that they will never sell anything that has impact on max level, like gear, but I think everyone can see where we are headed in a couple of years with this trend.

And all the pricing choices are to maximize profit from the game as a whole. So when they are playing the semantics game and telling you that they choose the price not to maximize the profit (from that one particular services), they are taking you as a fool. Don't be one.

[Arkthus]

The $60 price point wasn't selected to maximize profit, just to represent the amount of time that it takes to level to 90.

2 days of /played, which means a week playing each evening... So, it's not even worth 10$....

[Siddown]

This is none of the biggest piles of pigeon dung I've read in a long time. This is a pure money grab and devaluates everyone's characters that are 90 already.

Please explain how someone else getting a boost to 90 in anyway your current level 90 characters in any negative way, or how it devaluates the fun you've already had with your character. Does all the fun and experiences you've had over the past six months suddenly disappear, like it's been sucked out of your consciousness?

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Really?Why they don't make boost costs 10 dollars then?
I can assure you than the sales would be much more than the x6 needed to compensate the 50$ loss.

I don't think you understand "pure capitalism" at all. Blizzard sells the item at what they feel is the right price. Maximizing profit off a single item is not always the best business decision if they feel it will negatively impact other profit centers (as in, Blizzard actually likes it when people level up because it requires more playing time which equals more subs).

Plus the idea that they'd sell 600% more boosts at $10 v. $60 is just something you pulled out of your butt, you might be right, but I'm sure they've thought a bit more about their pricing structure than you have.

[IamTheJesusMonk]

The $60 price point wasn't selected to maximize profit, just to represent the amount of time that it takes to level to 90.

So...at $15 a month...they're claiming it takes 4 months to level to 90???? I call MAJOR BS. I highly doubt it takes more than 2 months (and that's at a pretty slow pace) to level to 90.

Now personally I don't want to get involved in the "paid 90s are st00pid" debate or even the "$60 is stupid overpriced" debate...but I don't think anyone would argue that Blizz's reasoning for the pricing is flimsy at best.

[Eren Jaeger]

I have a 90 of everything so I am glad this doesn't affect me! However, I think putting a price does help it not become less 'value' for those of us who actually leveled. People are complaining, level it to 90 for FREE then, lol.

[Arvandor]

every little buyable xp or level in an rpg is pay to win.. wake up morons..

[papajohn4]

What is so retarded or insulting about this? It's a perfectly good argument. The thing thay want to avoid is not a ton of people transfering characters. They want to avoid having people buying multiple accounts to get the boost. Restricting the transfer service for boosted characters wouldn't really solve anything as there is no doubt in my mind that the people who would buy a new account and expansions to get the boost would just play their new 90s on the separate accounts instead. The only difference between that and offering the boost in the store would be that these people woudn't have to switch accounts all the time.

Sorry but I doubt someone will maintain many accounts just to play 1 90 on each of them...except if he uses these accounts for boting. But even in that very rare occasion, this player will still miss all the "account wide" benefits of the game.

[shoooter]

So...at $15 a month...they're claiming it takes 4 months to level to 90???? I call MAJOR BS. I highly doubt it takes more than 2 months (and that's at a pretty slow pace) to level to 90.

You can't compare it to how much the monthly sub costs, that has absolutely nothing to do with the price point. They are valuing the 48+ hours spent leveling from 1-90 at $60 because, believe me, just as many people would complain if they priced it lower. If you haven't leveled a 6th or 7th alt to 90 yet then I suggest you try, because it is gruellllling. Sure it's "easy", but if they valued that amount of time investment at $10 or $15 just as many people that went to the effort of leveling 1-90 manually would be insulted by the low price.

[Jensu]

BULLSHIT! If they didn't want this to be a thing, they could simply not give any boost at all, and keep the game a bit more respectful. Level boost is one of the worst P2W that exists.

I don't think this is P2W b/c lvling is the easy part of the game and with heirlooms it's even easyer. Now if they sell gear that's P2W, being lvling 90 with no gear really means your not wanted from raids or anything. I lvled every class befor heirlooms well all but the monk and it was easy. I like the ideal of the free 90 and I think $60 is good too.

[La]

You can't compare it to how much the monthly sub costs, that has absolutely nothing to do with the price point. They are valuing the 48+ hours spent leveling from 1-90 at $60 because, believe me, just as many people would complain if they priced it lower. If you haven't leveled a 6th or 7th alt to 90 yet then I suggest you try, because it is gruellllling. Sure it's "easy", but if they valued that amount of time investment at $10 or $15 just as many people that went to the effort of leveling 1-90 manually would be insulted by the low price.

Then maybe that's something they need to change much more than just offering heirlooms, because leveling from level 1 to fucking 100 at this point is just stupid. But at least you can spend $60 to skip it. And not even with heirlooms, if their goal is for 'new players who just bought the game' to have a way to get max characters, they should be increasing the xp gains without them by a whole lot. If their response is something like 'we don't want players to skip content' or 'we don't want players to skip zones' guess what? You just introduced a way to pay for that, so what do you care if someone wants faster xp?

[Jensu]

You can't compare it to how much the monthly sub costs, that has absolutely nothing to do with the price point. They are valuing the 48+ hours spent leveling from 1-90 at $60 because, believe me, just as many people would complain if they priced it lower. If you haven't leveled a 6th or 7th alt to 90 yet then I suggest you try, because it is gruellllling. Sure it's "easy", but if they valued that amount of time investment at $10 or $15 just as many people that went to the effort of leveling 1-90 manually would be insulted by the low price.

I would have to say if the price was like $10-$15 or even like $40 it would be very insulting. I lvled 11 90s ''every class'' yes it's too easy but the time to do it if your not 24h it sucks. I think $60 is ok I understand why it's that but like $80 or even $100 would have been ok with me.

[soulinger]

every little buyable xp or level in an rpg is pay to win.. wake up morons..

the only thing you are winning is time. P2W is more like buying epic gear or any high end gear to be able to beat others easier and faster...

Hearthstone is more P2W because you are able to buy card packs that will give you a chance for better cards which allows you to win faster and become greater easier.


Buying a lvl 90 just allows ppl that don't have all day to play, a chance to experience endgame raids or whatever faster.

You are buying time that's ALL.

[Cien]

Kinda glad that we get 1 free level 90 with WoD, other than that I will never buy the instant 90 service. I think it's a bit sad in the sense that players could technically just buy all of their alts now, rather than take advantage of the free 90 and level the rest. Still, this should provide a very lucrative opportunity for people making gold, cause lets face it, mats for proffessions are gonna rocket with people wanting to level them on these new 90s.

Plus, its services like this which are keeping the subscription at like, £8.99 a month, so if introducing this outrageously priced service means the sub stays the same price, as it always has, then I will reluctantly comply. Its not like it affects me anyway as I wont use the service, but it just seems like such a huuuuuuge waste of money to throw at Blizzard when they already make mega £££ as it is, perhaps its time to invest in some shares in Blizzard? xD Show me how!

[Jensu]

Then maybe that's something they need to change much more than just offering heirlooms, because leveling from level 1 to fucking 100 at this point is just stupid. But at least you can spend $60 to skip it. And not even with heirlooms, if their goal is for 'new players who just bought the game' to have a way to get max characters, they should be increasing the xp gains without them by a whole lot. If their response is something like 'we don't want players to skip content' or 'we don't want players to skip zones' guess what? You just introduced a way to pay for that, so what do you care if someone wants faster xp?

Well how many kid's play and how many will be able to just buy the $60 lvl90? Not that many, with heirlooms its way easy and with out it's still not all that bad, if you want to spend the money do it or lvl the real way. I lvled every class up that's 11 90s. They have done xp gains and im sure at some point they will do more time will tell. The ideal of giving a new player a free 90 is good get's them into the game and they will make them stay.

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the only thing you are winning is time. P2W is more like buying epic gear or any high end gear to be able to beat others easier and faster...

Hearthstone is more P2W because you are able to buy card packs that will give you a chance for better cards which allows you to win faster and become greater easier.


Buying a lvl 90 just allows ppl that don't have all day to play, a chance to experience endgame raids or whatever faster.

You are buying time that's ALL.

Yes P2W is buying Gear in WoW, the ideal of being able for other's to get to endgame faster is ok with me. WoW buying or free 90 is NOT P2W it's all about endgame and high end raid gear.

[Primaryjane]

"The Level 90 boost is being sold to allow players that would have purchased multiple copies of WoW to get more Level 90 characters to do so in a more reasonable way."

Does this mean that the expansion is going to cost $60? If it's released at the normal expansion price, $40...well, why would anyone spend $60 when they can spend $40? I'm liking WoD less and less by the day.

[Mortifie]

"The Level 90 boost is being sold to allow players that would have purchased multiple copies of WoW to get more Level 90 characters to do so in a more reasonable way."

Does this mean that the expansion is going to cost $60? If it's released at the normal expansion price, $40...well, why would anyone spend $60 when they can spend $40? I'm liking WoD less and less by the day.

I was just about to post the same thing.....well, except that last sentence.

[Shiroh]

So...at $15 a month...they're claiming it takes 4 months to level to 90???? I call MAJOR BS. I highly doubt it takes more than 2 months (and that's at a pretty slow pace) to level to 90.
Now personally I don't want to get involved in the "paid 90s are st00pid" debate or even the "$60 is stupid overpriced" debate...but I don't think anyone would argue that Blizz's reasoning for the pricing is flimsy at best.

Does this mean that the expansion is going to cost $60? If it's released at the normal expansion price, $40...well, why would anyone spend $60 when they can spend $40? I'm liking WoD less and less by the day.

2 days of /played, which means a week playing each evening... So, it's not even worth 10$....

Ever heard of opportunity costs? That's what the $60 are about and not subscription costs or expansion price.
I.e. "How much money am I willing to pay to avoid doing 48 hours of something I hate". Obviously, everyone values those 48 hours differently and Blizzard thought that 60 bucks is a sensible price. Some think it's too high, others think it's too low. You can't please everyone.

[valdok]

If Blizzard's goal was to sell as many boosts as possible, they would have set the price lower.
The $60 price point wasn't selected to maximize profit, just to represent the amount of time that it takes to level to 90.

Gonna go ahead and call this total BS. If they wanted to limit the amount of boosts, they could have easily said something like, you get a maximum of 2; 1 for if you preorder WoD, and one more to buy; or two if you choose to purchase them both. Blizzard is about the money--they are a company. And I'm fine with that. But saying they didn't do it to maximize profits is absurd, otherwise what is the point of adding the feature to begin with, if not for additional revenue?

[Deleted]

#1 people who spout p2w arguments should ask themselves "how do I logic?"
#2 people who say buying lv90 should be limited to people already owning WoD and a lv90 char (not to mention that's supersilly because if you have WoD, you have a lv90 char) are group that should be collectively shot in the knees, because buying granted lv90 chars came as an idea to - watch this now - let people who quit playing years ago/just starting continue playing with their friends without the need to spend a month leveling to 100 first.