Putin puts troops in western Russia on alert in drill

[Unionoob]

How can we "win" in elections that has no pro-Russian candidates at all? With ones that could theoretically get decent support being detained by Ukrainian SBU?

We cannot lose there because we're not going to play by Kiev's rules.

Well, I haven't seen any post where Kiev have banned any pro russian party or any pro russian candidate.

[Shalcker]

Defusing a situation doesn't make it automatically neutral and fair.

Situation where US officials instigate coup and deposing of legitimate president is not neutral and fair either; not every situation can be neutral and fair sadly.

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Well, I haven't seen any post where Kiev have banned any pro russian party or any pro russian candidate.

Easy!
http://www.focus-fen.net/news/2014/0...n-parties.html

Justice Ministry of Ukraine wants to ban two pro-Russian parties
23 April 2014 | 09:33 | FOCUS News Agency
Kiev. The Ministry of Justice of Ukraine has filed a lawsuit at the District Administrative Court in Kiev for the ban of activities of two political parties – Russian Bloc and Russian Unity. The court will sit on the case on April 23, UNIAN .
Leader of Russian Bloc party was arrested a couple of days ago on suspicions in separatism.

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See that stuff is just rotten and wi bring nothing but instability. Sorry guys but you don't create stability by silencing a political current.
Ukraine is strongly linked to Russia. Is party of region represented?

[Unionoob]

Situation where US officials instigate coup and deposing of legitimate president is not neutral and fair either; not every situation can be neutral and fair sadly.

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Easy!
http://www.focus-fen.net/news/2014/0...n-parties.html

Well, about seperatism and jailing:
http://en.ria.ru/russia/20131229/186...with-Jail.html

But if they do ban those parties then why your pro russian population doesn't make "orange revolution" in Kiev, I am 100% sure if government would oppress them even westerners wouldn't support them.

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Well, about seperatism and jailing:
http://en.ria.ru/russia/20131229/186...with-Jail.html

But if they do ban those parties then why your pro russian population doesn't make "orange revolution" in Kiev, I am 100% sure if government would oppress them even westerners wouldn't support them.

He does it so it's acceptable now?

And what kind of stupid question is that?

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I mean it's what is happening now in eastern ukraine and the government is sending tanks. The west supports it.

[zorkuus]

I mean it's what is happening now in eastern ukraine

No it isn't. They're unlawfully seizing government buildings and what could be described as kidnapping people.

[Unionoob]

He does it so it's acceptable now?

And what kind of stupid question is that?

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I mean it's what is happening now in eastern ukraine and the government is sending tanks. The west supports it.

But then why did Russia send armed forces to stop seperatists in Chechnya ? Shouldn't Russians just laid down weapons and made referendum?

[burek]

But if they do ban those parties then why your pro russian population doesn't make "orange revolution" in Kiev, I am 100% sure if government would oppress them even westerners wouldn't support them.

There can be a lot of possible reasons, for example they don't live there, lack foreign funding, they are tired of it and find pointless to go revolting in circles, etc.

[Shalcker]

But then why did Russia send armed forces to stop seperatists in Chechnya ? Shouldn't Russians just laid down weapons and made referendum?

Nope, we shouldn't. "It's one rouble to join, 10 roubles to leave".

[zorkuus]

Nope, we shouldn't. "It's one rouble to join, 10 roubles to leave".

You heard it here folks: separatism is ok as long as it doesn't have a negative impact on Russia.

[burek]

You heard it here folks: separatism is ok as long as it doesn't have a negative impact on Russia.

Kosovo showed that it is basically the exact same stance of most other countries in the world: 'separatism is ok if it is in our interest'

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No it isn't. They're unlawfully seizing government buildings and what could be described as kidnapping people.

The earlier protest also illegally sized buildings. Didnt kidnap people that's true, but they did throw Molotov and shoot at police on several occasions.

[Unionoob]

The earlier protest also illegally sized buildings. Didnt kidnap people that's true, but they did throw Molotov and shoot at police on several occasions.

did they sieze those building mainly armed with AK's or with some kind of sticks or other self made junk?

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But then why did Russia send armed forces to stop seperatists in Chechnya ? Shouldn't Russians just laid down weapons and made referendum?

Chechnya was handled horribly. Not sure we can take that has a sample of anything.
Again, x doing something doesn't make y entitled to do the same.

[Shalcker]

You heard it here folks: separatism is ok as long as it doesn't have a negative impact on Russia.

It's part of cultural code; thing that allowed us to become as big as we are currently. You're free to leave if we tell you to leave as it happened with dissolution of USSR, or if you're actually strong enough to separate yourself when empire is weakened; otherwise you're not and that's the fact acknowledged by everyone as reality.

Separatism is NOT ok anywhere; but there are other considerations that should be taken into account as well in each particular case which may override it.

Current Kiev also lumps everyone - "federalists", "stronger ties with Russia" and "let's join Russia" all together as same "separatists", even if they do not wish to actually "separate" themselves.

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did they sieze those building mainly armed with AK's or with some kind of sticks or other self made junk?

So it's ok to violently seize buldings if not armed with ak-47's?

[Keeponrage]

The earlier protest also illegally sized buildings. Didnt kidnap people that's true, but they did throw Molotov and shoot at police on several occasions.

actually they did kidnapped people - in western Ukraine and in Kiev

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actually they did kidnapped people - in western Ukraine and in Kiev

Oh is that so?
What's the difference between the two then?

[Keeponrage]

It's part of cultural code; thing that allowed us to become as big as we are currently. You're free to leave if we tell you to leave as it happened with dissolution of USSR, or if you're actually strong enough to separate yourself when empire is weakened; otherwise you're not and that's the fact acknowledged by everyone as reality.

Separatism is NOT ok anywhere; but there are other considerations that should be taken into account as well in each particular case which may override it.

Current Kiev also lumps everyone - "federalists", "stronger ties with Russia" and "let's join Russia" all together as same "separatists", even if they do not wish to actually "separate" themselves.

Shalker, really, thou I support your position in general, but Chechnya thing has nothing to do with "cultural code". Chechen bandits started genocide of Russians there - killing, raping, torturing and driving them from their homes. There are thousands of civilian russians died there, many more fled Chechnya.

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Oh is that so?
What's the difference between the two then?

Difference is that "Kiev" guys started this shit first. So they should start disarm Right Sector first as well.

[dozor]

How can we "win" in elections that has no pro-Russian candidates at all?

Tsaryov, Dobkin, Tihipko, no?