How would you guys feel if inner fire/will was taken away?

[Abysal]

I feel like too many people do not realize what button bloat is. A buff like inner fire/will is the definition of button bloat.

Button bloat=too many things taking up keybinds. There's plenty of people who get buy just fine without binding inner fire/will.

[Noradin]

I would feel annoyed.
There is no apparent reason why it would need to go.

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I feel like too many people do not realize what button bloat is. A buff like inner fire/will is the definition of button bloat.

Actually, the opposite is the case. Maybe are the one not realizing what "button bloat" is?

[The Penguin]

But the spellpower was baked into spell abilities, since inner fire is used almost exclusively, and will more for its mobility at times you're not actively dps/healing.

If Shadow's trash state was finally fixed and they finally become comparable to Mages and Locks in damage output then I'd give up anything.

[Granyala]

Since it adds nothing to gameplay, it can be eliminated. (Shadow priest perspective)

[ACES]

There's no reason for either to be removed as abilities (unless they were made passive) but honestly I wouldn't care

[Super Kami Dende]

Inner Will - Removed.
Inner Fire/PW: Fort - Passive like Shamans Passive auras.

3 buttons removed already.

[darkwarrior42]

Inner Will - Removed.
Inner Fire/PW: Fort - Passive like Shamans Passive auras.

3 buttons removed already.

Inner Fire and Will can probably go.... Inner Will might be more interesting as a healer cooldown than as an alternate self-buff, but could just as easily be taken out.

I dislike the idea of making all the hour-long buffs into auras, because then you're tied to the person generating the aura to get the buff. if you have to split up over a long distance, or if that person dies, the buff goes away.... plus it's nice to be able to buff people to help them out with various activities.

[supersnap]

I would feel annoyed.
There is no apparent reason why it would need to go.

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Actually, the opposite is the case. Maybe are the one not realizing what "button bloat" is?

maybe are what? It doesnt have to be keybinded, it just has to be on your action bar. I am surprised that so many priests seem to open the spell book to click inner fire.

[gaymer77]

Moonkin glyph (same as the shadow glyph for mending/renew) have been baked in the spell. Moonkins can cast ALL their spells while in form.

Ah haven't been on my druid in moonkin form in a very very long time so I wasn't aware of that particular change. I know that the shadow one is baked in. That just makes my point even more so that shadow priests should be able to do all their healing spells while in shadow form like druids get to.


Back on topic (since I just realized I didn't post about it in my first post lol), I have a sneaking feeling that inner will is going to go away. The only priests that use it are holy priests and you don't see many of those around now a days. I would be pissed off if they took away inner fire though.

[Volitar]

Shadowform shouldn't be passive...because it's their shift into damage form, regular for healing, shadow for damage...like a boomkin

Except Boomkin can cast all of there heals in Boomkin Form, Shadow got fucked.

[Yrrildur]

Now that Blizzard is scaling things anyway, they should just get rid of abilities/passives that give a flat buff to dmg/healing/whatever. Stuff like this is boring anyway. It's better to only use buffs/nerfs in order to make each class balanced and you can simply do that through each separate skill.

[Deleted]

Inner Will - Removed.
Inner Fire/PW: Fort - Passive like Shamans Passive auras.

3 buttons removed already.

Speaking of which I don't understand:

Warlock sp/sta is active.
Armor for self is passive.

Priest sta is active.
Inner for self is active.
Spell haste is passive.

Shaman's mastery buff is passive.
Shield is active.

Feral's stats is active.
Crit buff is passive.

Why is this, what is the logic in all this.

[gaymer77]

Why is this, what is the logic in all this.

All secondary stat buffs are passives. All primary stat buffs are active (spellpower is a primary stat btw). What's that hard to understand about that?

[Deleted]

All secondary stat buffs are passives. All primary stat buffs are active (spellpower is a primary stat btw). What's that hard to understand about that?

Not really if you consider hunter pets, and then mage who does active crit and pala who does active mastery. Its just an annoying pile of unnecessary spaghetti.

[Nurasu]

How would you guys not feel naked without it on? =/

[TheWindWalker]

I'd rather they just give us the Warlock treatment and make Inner Fire a passive and Inner Will into a cooldown we press occasionally to have a short period of improved instant effectiveness.

I switched back to my spriest recently in preparation for Warlords and I had to make a gigantic yellow bold print "INNER FIRE" banner appear on my screen when it's missing so I don't forget to have it on.

Actually, the opposite is the case. Maybe are the one not realizing what "button bloat" is?

Grammar issues aside, you're right. This isn't the kind of "ability bloat" that was described in detail by Celestalon but it is an example of having active abilities you ignore. We're not Shamans or Mages, we don't need Inner Fire to be something we turn on as all three specs use it.

[Nurasu]

Grammar issues aside, you're right. This isn't the kind of "ability bloat" that was described in detail by Celestalon but it is an example of having active abilities you ignore. We're not Shamans or Mages, we don't need Inner Fire to be something we turn on as all three specs use it.

I think the better option would be to make Inner Will more interesting, rather than axe both of them. Add a different kind of throughput boost to it rather than mana reduction. No one with a brain is going to give up spellpower for movement speed...

[Dierdre]

Inner Fire / Inner Will? Those things I always have up / never ever ever ever ever use?

[Annesh]

I feel like too many people do not realize what button bloat is. A buff like inner fire/will is the definition of button bloat.

I think "button bloat" currently is pretty indeterminate. Inner Fire doesn't occupy any meaningful button real estate since you can fire and forget for an hour.

If I were going to hazard a definition, Inner Fire is technically button bloat, but in practice is not.

[Count Zero]

I prefer active buffs over passive auras. You can outrange auras, those folks can die, etc.

It partially cuts both ways, yeah ... auras don't need to be reapplied on battle rez.

But I think the range / phasing thing trumps everything else. Unless maybe they can make aura buffs zone-wide in raid zones (so as to not screw with pvp)