[WoD] Retribution Paladin Megathread

[anaxie]

Our execute and Holy TV seem.... potent if other classes are getting similar changes tone downs on Weapon strikes. Truth will be alot higher for our % of damage that is sure.

The only stats I'm still not sure on for the class is Crit and Readiness. They seem wholly useless when compared to Haste, Mastery, and Multistrike. But again numbers n things. I hate waiting =/

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Doesn't readiness just reduce CD on certain spells?

[anaxie]

I wouldn't put any thought into these durations and cast times and cooldowns. It's pretty obvious that it's either datamining errors or unfinished tooltips.

Remember that Avenging Wrath is a baseline 3 minute cooldown and there was a hidden passive spell that reduced it to 2minutes for Retribution.

This is true

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Doesn't readiness just reduce CD on certain spells?

Yes which makes it odd for ret since Haste already fulfills that function to a far more important degree.

Readiness is just awkward and out of place. Not worthy of being a core stat IMO

[Zabannith]

DP lasts 10 seconds now instead of 8 atleast

[Maegor]

I think readiness can be good if you get enough, then SW makes more sense since enough readiness should get you an extra AW on a medium length fight (6-7 min). But that's talking end xpac tier levels.

Funny thing is they took away haste break points and added a stat that is all about breakpoints, meaning any extra readiness over the amount that gets you another cd usage is wasted.

[Zabannith]

i did some looking at other classes dmg cds and they are in the same boat , 10 sec duration for them all recklessness, vendetta etc

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Yes which makes it odd for ret since Haste already fulfills that function to a far more important degree.

Readiness is just awkward and out of place. Not worthy of being a core stat IMO

Well unless SoB changes and I hope it doesn't. One could argue it might affect other spells. Readiness overall seems to be like those trinkets in SoO but as a stat. Sadly though it seems Readiness as it is now will only benefit certain classes and specs. So yeah I see your point.

[tonicsargeras]

DP lasts 10 seconds now instead of 8 atleast

Almost every spell has a 10 second duration. It's probably wrong, either a datamining error or an unfinished tooltip.

[Zabannith]

Almost every spell has a 10 second duration. It's probably wrong, either a datamining error or an unfinished tooltip.

Agreed 100% here , unless it is in fact intentional, they did say they wanted to reduce classes reliance on cds to do dmg

[anaxie]

DP lasts 10 seconds now instead of 8 atleast

I think they should give us that baseline 3 sec CS they took away in MoP beta that they were going to give us now.
Give us 1 sec GCD baseline.

That or just simply tack 15-20% melee haste onto Sanc of Battle. Between that + the raid haste buff not being worthless to our spec now we would be sitting pretty mechanic wise. Art of War should be interesting too. Turn Exorcism into a HoW comparable nuke.

[Octan]

To make crit more valuable and also give us more sustained dps, I`d make something like "When a holy power generating ability crits, your next Templar`s Verdict damage will be entirely holy damage. Stacks up to 2 times. ". Also gives more reason to stack/dump HP, adding a little more management to a rotation that looks like it will be pretty bland otherwise. Needless to say, the 100 lvl talent would need to be changed.

[Lumineus]

I'd rather they not try to be cute with it and just give us the old Vengeance passive back. Stupid Warriors...

I think i read somewhere that weapon damage was getting cut 20%. That didn't make sense for ACTUAL weapon swith the squish. I guess ti was to weapon damage based abilities for all players across the board. Not EXACTLY 20% but in general.

Yeah, you read that. Base damage from weapons got cut by 20%. Strength and AGI got reduced to 1AP per. But, here's the thing. Weapon damage from AP was increased by four hundred percent. That's why we're seeing these lower coefficients on weapon abilities, while attacks with AP or SP coefficients only got buffed.

[Zabannith]

Art of war needs some major work ,in its current form its garbage and we all know this , personally id like a 2nd proc to watch for as well, something like blindside that lets you use HoW when you crit with cs for example, it would give us a use for crit which we really need,

[Maegor]

Yeah, you read that. Base damage from weapons got cut by 20%. Strength and AGI got reduced to 1AP per. But, here's the thing. Weapon damage from AP was increased by four hundred percent. That's why we're seeing these lower coefficients.

So why have abilities that are weapon damage based? Guess though if they keep key abilities wpn dmg based then it stops you from not taking a higher ilvl weapon because of stats.

[Zabannith]

To make crit more valuable and also give us more sustained dps, I`d make something like "When a holy power generating ability crits, your next Templar`s Verdict damage will be entirely holy damage. Stacks up to 2 times. ". Also gives more reason to stack/dump HP, adding a little more management to a rotation that looks like it will be pretty bland otherwise. Needless to say, the 100 lvl talent would need to be changed.

FV would need a 100% rework like you said, if we had that proc nobody would take FV

[anaxie]

To make crit more valuable and also give us more sustained dps, I`d make something like "When a holy power generating ability crits, your next Templar`s Verdict damage will be entirely holy damage. Stacks up to 2 times. ". Also gives more reason to stack/dump HP, adding a little more management to a rotation that looks like it will be pretty bland otherwise. Needless to say, the 100 lvl talent would need to be changed.

!!!!!!! not a great idea because it makes you think whats the point of FV buuuuuuuuuuuuutttt.

Why not make exo allow the next TV to auto crit. It would actually add something to the rotation outside faceroll. Art of war procs? CRIT TV time. OMG art of war proc again / fap fap fap

It would make exorcism the exciting spell it should be and our finisher would feel potent with it and the LVL 100 talent would just be gravy.......

lets uhhh.... Lets push ideas like this when beta launches....

/excite

[Zabannith]

!!!!!!! not a great idea because it makes you think whats the point of FV buuuuuuuuuuuuutttt.

Why not make exo allow the next TV to auto crit. It would actually add something to the rotation outside faceroll. Art of war procs? CRIT TV time. OMG art of war proc again / fap fap fap

It would make exorcism the exciting spell it should be and our finisher would feel potent with it and the LVL 100 talent would just be gravy.......

lets uhhh.... Lets push ideas like this when beta launches....

/excite

it would also move exo up in the priority greatly just to fish for procs it wouldent be dead last like it is now

[anaxie]

Art of war needs some major work ,in its current form its garbage and we all know this , personally id like a 2nd proc to watch for as well, something like blindside that lets you use HoW when you crit with cs for example, it would give us a use for crit which we really need,

CS crits = HoW useable

Exo hits = auto TV crits

/dream

[Zabannith]

imagine HA talent with what you mentioned anaxie , exo tv exo tv exo tv
of course they'd need to add something like when HA is active your HP generator have no cd ,deal 30% extra dmg and generate 3 hp
/wetdream

[anaxie]

it would also move exo up in the priority greatly just to fish for procs it wouldent be dead last like it is now

to be fair it SHOULD be #1 with its CD and it's reset proc. so ya pretty much.