1. #5241
    Said it many times, the Developers in WoW don't want to put in the effort to develop a zone with three dimensions. That's the only reason for the removal of Flying. Nothing else.

    That said, it's a retarded idea and it'll cost them millions of customers and when they finally admit that it's a retarded idea and reverse themselves, they'll make a big spectacle about the 'return' of Flying and sell it as a new feature. Because they're WoW developers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Infernix View Post
    That said, it's a retarded idea and it'll cost them millions of customers and when they finally admit that it's a retarded idea and reverse themselves, they'll make a big spectacle about the 'return' of Flying and sell it as a new feature. Because they're WoW developers.
    Selling points for expansion 6:

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    ...Flying Mounts!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Infernix View Post
    Said it many times, the Developers in WoW don't want to put in the effort to develop a zone with three dimensions. That's the only reason for the removal of Flying. Nothing else.

    That said, it's a retarded idea and it'll cost them millions of customers and when they finally admit that it's a retarded idea and reverse themselves, they'll make a big spectacle about the 'return' of Flying and sell it as a new feature. Because they're WoW developers.
    Yet, somehow, everything in the alpha is fully 3D.
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  4. #5244
    Quote Originally Posted by Sinryu View Post
    Really getting tired of the stupidity in this forum, THEY ARE ADDING FLIGHT, THEY DESIGNED DRAENOR to be able to fly through....they didn't take short cuts, they did the whole goddamn thing with flight in mind, just because we don't get it as soon as we hit level cap doesn't mean it isn't coming. Even Timeless Isle, and the other islands they added in MoP that disable flight are still designed flight capable!
    Exactly. If they were not flight capable, there would be no use of Gliders in this zone. Like Azeroth before the Cataclysm, the skies would be for FPs only. But, I am guessing they are using the same skybox code and software to make Draenor just as they used in Cata and MoP. Which means it is literally flipping a switch to allow or disallow it. The quest is that switch. Complete the quest in 6.1 and bam, flying unlocks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulwind View Post
    Yet, somehow, everything in the alpha is fully 3D.
    Wonder why that is? Hmmm.... (giggles) You get it, I get it... explaining it to others who assume things is gonna be tough.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soulwind View Post
    Yet, somehow, everything in the alpha is fully 3D.
    Not what I said. Take your time, go back, re-read what was posted and try and 'think' about it.

    I doubt you have any idea what I'm talking about, but BC zones were designed with three dimensions in mind. There were parts of the zones you couldn't reach unless you had Flying and you couldn't get Flying until max level. It added new layers to the game by having these max-level sections of the zones that were there for people who had put in the time and effort to hit max level. They added air defenses to sub-max level towns to keep the 60s at bay. They had daily areas that were designed to only be accessible by Flying players. They had daily areas that celebrated your Flying ability and rewarded you with new Flying mounts. Epic rep-based quest chains for awesome Flying mounts.

    There wasn't any of this mewling bullshit about 'immersion' because Flying increased your immersion because they made effort to tailor the zones around Flying.

    So we KNOW that they can make zones where Flying not only works well, but is centered around the idea that max-level characters will have Flying things to do.

    And if we KNOW that they can do it, then that means that they're CHOOSING not to do it. Because it's just fucking easier to do a 2d-based zone.

    Because they're WoW Developers.
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  6. #5246
    Quote Originally Posted by Sinryu View Post
    i know you're not talking to / about me,but it does apply to me, so i would like to respond rationally and logically. The basic premise of this thread is flawed in saying that flying isn't going to be in the next expansion, which is blatantly false, blizzard has stated countless times (to anyone willing to pay attention) that we will have flight in the next expansion, just not at launch. They've gone on to say "IF we planned to remove flight in an expansion we would tell you about it beforehand, to stop people from over-reacting before hearing our side of the discussion first." which means...they may eventually decide to not have flight (in another expansion), but for now it's staying.

    The problem is people see this forum, and don't read the entire thing, and just join the no-flight-GRRR-bandwagon without knowing all the facts, without listening to the game developers intents, or without the common sense implication that blizzard would think long and hard about removing a majority of player's favorite convenience in the game as a "surprise" or lie....they'd lose so much business it wouldn't be worth it. this is something they would admit to and announce for an expansion they day they announced the expansion to judge reaction first at blizzcon, and on the forums as a whole.
    And you've just said everything I've said within these 250+ pages. There will be flight in Draenor. 6.1 will hit and we will wrap up some quest to unlock flight. But, in acknowledging that which is already written in stone, I also commented that Twitter and other "social media" or interviews are not solid evidence and are usually taken WAY out of context or read to be gospel. The only gospel truth I see is what makes it into the patch notes. Until 6.1 arrives and gives me Patch Notes which clearly state flying is NOT returning, I will sleep safe and sound knowing it will be back in 6.1.

    A few hundred pages ago, I made a promise that if Flying never made it to Draenor, I would purchase the store mount of choice for all the people who called it, and then I would close both of my accounts and uninstall the game. I never make a bet I think I can't win.
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  7. #5247
    Quote Originally Posted by Callace View Post
    Selling points for expansion 6:

    New Class!
    New Race!

    ...Flying Mounts!

    ROFL!
    When the removal of a feature is considered a feature, it's actually quite sad.

  8. #5248
    People still crying about this? Oh boy.

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  9. #5249
    Quote Originally Posted by Callace View Post
    I'm telling you that if they don't add it in 6.1, they will never add it again to any new content. They aren't going to roll the dice once a decision is made.

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    I will also say, most of the alpha shots look like fully-realized renderings/no props or SMC facades. So that gives me some hope that they were being honest about the possibility of re-adding it later. That it wasn't just a put-on.
    Yes, they have made it clear they would rather not have flight in current content. But spouting conspiracies about never having flight on Draenor is ridiculous, flight could be implemented as a leveling boost once 7.0 hits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giscoicus View Post
    flight could be implemented as a leveling boost once 7.0 hits
    They would do that because? They charge for level boosts now. They aren't going to detract from that.

    What is the motivation exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magemaer View Post
    People still crying about this? Oh boy.
    It wouldn't even be a possibility if people weren't crying for it's removal in the first place.
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    I am actually really happy with the no-flying stuff Blizzard is gonna do with WoD but I completely understand people who aren't. Even if I have the feeling that it's gonna make MY immersion feeling better (I only speak for myself), I still have the feeling that they're taking away from us a feature which became kind of unavoidable. However I'm still pretty sure we'll see flying in a patch !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giscoicus View Post
    Yes, they have made it clear they would rather not have flight in current content. But spouting conspiracies about never having flight on Draenor is ridiculous, flight could be implemented as a leveling boost once 7.0 hits
    It's unlikely. If they're going to go ahead and have no flying in "current content" I find it unlikely that they would revamp old zones to include it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smrund View Post
    It's unlikely. If they're going to go ahead and have no flying in "current content" I find it unlikely that they would revamp old zones to include it.
    Right, they never 're-included' it in all the older ground-only zones from Cata and MoP. Their reasoning for not doing so isn't just going to change overnight. We can expect the same results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giscoicus View Post
    Or what if wait and see means they are waiting for feedback before making a final decision?

    A world designed for ground travel can always support flying. The same cannot be said for a world designer with flight in mind. That's why they are designing for ground, and waiting for feedback to determine if they should or should not enable flight.
    "Old Azeroth" was not designed for flying. Flying was added to the old zones in the Cataclysm expansion. A world designed for ground travel can only support flying if the artwork and game development are added to support flying. The idea that they are waiting for feedback to decided to have flying in WoD is ludicrous. You don't put in an expensive feature like flying in and then "wait and see" if you are going to use it. How gullible can people be?

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    Quote Originally Posted by smrund View Post
    It's unlikely. If they're going to go ahead and have no flying in "current content" I find it unlikely that they would revamp old zones to include it.
    But you dont need to revamp old zones to support flying. Flying mounts can do anything ground mounts can do and more, the same does not go for ground mount. A zone has to be designed to support ground mounts, if it supports ground based travel it can support flight.

  16. #5256
    Quote Originally Posted by Superman-BladesEdge View Post
    And you've just said everything I've said within these 250+ pages. There will be flight in Draenor. 6.1 will hit and we will wrap up some quest to unlock flight. But, in acknowledging that which is already written in stone, I also commented that Twitter and other "social media" or interviews are not solid evidence and are usually taken WAY out of context or read to be gospel. The only gospel truth I see is what makes it into the patch notes. Until 6.1 arrives and gives me Patch Notes which clearly state flying is NOT returning, I will sleep safe and sound knowing it will be back in 6.1.

    A few hundred pages ago, I made a promise that if Flying never made it to Draenor, I would purchase the store mount of choice for all the people who called it, and then I would close both of my accounts and uninstall the game. I never make a bet I think I can't win.
    Yeah sorry, i come back ever 15-20 pages and try and make sure people understand that blizzard intends to add flight back in, so many people don't read the whole forum or the OP and just put their 2 cents in given the false info, i just try to keep people informed on the "truth of the matter"

  17. #5257
    Quote Originally Posted by Giscoicus View Post
    But you dont need to revamp old zones to support flying. Flying mounts can do anything ground mounts can do and more, the same does not go for ground mount. A zone has to be designed to support ground mounts, if it supports ground based travel it can support flight.
    Of course you have to rework old content to enable flying in what was a ground only area. Geesh, this is so obvious.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giscoicus View Post
    But you dont need to revamp old zones to support flying. Flying mounts can do anything ground mounts can do and more, the same does not go for ground mount. A zone has to be designed to support ground mounts, if it supports ground based travel it can support flight.
    No, it does not need to be designed from square one to support flying mounts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stellan View Post
    "Old Azeroth" was not designed for flying. Flying was added to the old zones in the Cataclysm expansion. A world designed for ground travel can only support flying if the artwork and game development are added to support flying. The idea that they are waiting for feedback to decided to have flying in WoD is ludicrous. You don't put in an expensive feature like flying in and then "wait and see" if you are going to use it. How gullible can people be?
    Because the problems with the old world was not that it didn't support flight, as it had flight paths, but that areas were not coded to have flight, and things like invisible/blue walls were not included in places they would need to be, such as off the coast of Teldrassil en route to GM island. However, as I have explained before, there are a lot of spells and items in game that can simulate some effect of flight in terms of travel, and Blizzard knows this. They will have collision coded and walls built because players have far more at their disposal than we had previously. In Wrath we had Flexweave underlay to slowfall, now we have the Goblin Glider. It is far stronger.

    The old world also had a lot of testing elements not touched prior to Cata. They had mount Hyjal, Ironforge Airport, Quel'Thalas, and players weren't supposed to be in these areas. They didn't change these areas prior to Cata, so players werent allowed in these areas, and still today you cannot get into Quel'Thalas without bugging. Heck if I'm not mistaken Hyjal eventually had a script to teleport players out, and the Ironforge Airport could only be reached by serious wall jumping. When we did have flight, suddenly bugging through walls became a bigger issue because players couldn't fall through the world and instead could fly while under the world, like in Zul'Gurub, players could easily bug through the temple and get into Karazhan Crypts, or on the giant bomb in the gnome district of Ironforge. They do a lot more of their testing and whatnot in instances now, or clean it up rather than leave models lying around, and have since vanilla launched such as the Outlands in Deadmines.

    Flight was not in vanilla because they had a ton of testing and design pieces left around and they didn't take the time to clean up until Cata. They haven't done this since vanilla, so the problems they had adding flight to the old world would not be present in Draenor

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giscoicus View Post
    Because the problems with the old world was not that it didn't support flight, as it had flight paths, but that areas were not coded to have flight, and things like invisible/blue walls were not included in places they would need to be, such as off the coast of Teldrassil en route to GM island. However, as I have explained before, there are a lot of spells and items in game that can simulate some effect of flight in terms of travel, and Blizzard knows this. They will have collision coded and walls built because players have far more at their disposal than we had previously. In Wrath we had Flexweave underlay to slowfall, now we have the Goblin Glider. It is far stronger.

    The old world also had a lot of testing elements not touched prior to Cata. They had mount Hyjal, Ironforge Airport, Quel'Thalas, and players weren't supposed to be in these areas. They didn't change these areas prior to Cata, so players werent allowed in these areas, and still today you cannot get into Quel'Thalas without bugging. Heck if I'm not mistaken Hyjal eventually had a script to teleport players out, and the Ironforge Airport could only be reached by serious wall jumping. When we did have flight, suddenly bugging through walls became a bigger issue because players couldn't fall through the world and instead could fly while under the world, like in Zul'Gurub, players could easily bug through the temple and get into Karazhan Crypts, or on the giant bomb in the gnome district of Ironforge. They do a lot more of their testing and whatnot in instances now, or clean it up rather than leave models lying around, and have since vanilla launched such as the Outlands in Deadmines.

    Flight was not in vanilla because they had a ton of testing and design pieces left around and they didn't take the time to clean up until Cata. They haven't done this since vanilla, so the problems they had adding flight to the old world would not be present in Draenor
    No doubt!

    But the question isn't CAN they.

    It's WILL they.

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