It's Now Sexual Assault To Have Sex With A Woman While Using a Pierced Condom...

[Deleted]

...but only if the man is the one who pierced it!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...l-assault.html

This seems like a very sexist ruling, where's the crime if the woman pierces the condoms herself in order to get pregnant against the man's wishes? What if she pokes holes in them and then claims it was the man, it seems like a very hard crime to defend yourself against in a case of a false accusation.

[xinjun]

Is it sexual assault if a woman lies about being on the pill? (PS who in their right mind would intentionally pierce a condom??)

[Velaniz]

Sexual assault (aggravated sexual assault, no less) seems like a stretch, but it definitely is and should be a crime. While it's still an offense for both parties, I can see why the bias might be greater against the man here, since the woman will be bearing the burden of pregnancy. Deceit is obviously involved in both cases, but it's the difference between inflicting a pregnancy onto yourself, and inflicting a pregnancy onto another.

[pateuvasiliu]

Cool. Now, can they make it illegal to lie about being on the pill? Since you know, equality.

[Spectral]

Using a broad Wiki definition:

Sexual assault is any involuntary sexual act in which a person is threatened, coerced, or forced to engage against their will, or any sexual touching of a person who has not consented.

Yeah, this obviously qualifies in either direction. If someone hasn't consented to fluid transfer and the attending risks, you're assaulting them.

[xinjun]

Sexual assault (aggravated sexual assault, no less) seems like a stretch, but it definitely is and should be a crime. While it's still an offense for both parties, I can see why the bias might be greater against the man here, since the woman will be bearing the burden of pregnancy. Deceit is obviously involved in both cases, but it's the difference between inflicting a pregnancy onto yourself, and inflicting a pregnancy onto another.

Pregnancy is a problem but so is fatherhood. I agree pregnancy is worse but the other direction is still very serious particularly when the legal system holds you responsible for the kid you never wanted. At least the female can choose to end her pregnancy if she desires.

[Rumred]

Cool. Now, can they make it illegal to lie about being on the pill? Since you know, equality.

+1 i have a feeling this happens a lot more then a guy piercing his own condom.....

[Grizzly Willy]

Using a broad Wiki definition:



Yeah, this obviously qualifies in either direction. If someone hasn't consented to fluid transfer and the attending risks, you're assaulting them.

Then the same should apply regardless of who pierced it. If one partner lies to the other or compromises the integrity of whatever birth control that is being used, then that partner should be charged with sexual assault.

[Eliandal]

+1 i have a feeling this happens a lot more then a guy piercing his own condom.....

If she lied to you, and you STILL didn't use a condom....yeah...well...the old adage stands, You get what you paid for

[Spectral]

Then the same should apply regardless of who pierced it. If one partner lies to the other or compromises the integrity of whatever birth control that is being used, then that partner should be charged with sexual assault.

Of course - that's why I said "this obviously qualifies in either direction".

I will note that unintended fluid transfer is a bit worse than just compromising birth control, as it carries substantially increased disease risk, which makes the harm worse than "just" unintended reproduction. In any case, I don't understand people's impulse to be angry about this charge. Why in the world wouldn't we want this to be a criminal action? Whatever court this is isn't in a position to do anything other than decide on this case, and they're surely doing it right.

[Pull My Finger]

Pierced condom? I don't know. Piercing condom, OK.

[StayTuned]

If she lied to you, and you STILL didn't use a condom....yeah...well...the old adage stands, You get what you paid for

What a backwards logic. Adding more and more circumstances to the situation until the woman is free of any faults. "If she lied to you and you STILL...", how on earth is one supposed to know he's being lied to?

Please, if a woman decides to lie about whether or not she is on the pill, it's a choice she makes in full awareness of the possible consequences; while in the same time deluding the man and depriving him of the right to chose whether or not he wants to become a parent. Issues might especially arise if both parties are in a long term relationship or even marriage and they disagree about their wishes of becoming parents. Many men do not use condoms after she has been using the pill for a longer period of time and some sort of trust relationship was build.

Putting the blame on men alone is pure sexism and ignorance. Such ideology, or rather way of thinking, should naturally come as repulsive.

[Felya]

Cool. Now, can they make it illegal to lie about being on the pill? Since you know, equality.

What STDs does the pill protect from, other than pregnancy?

[Wells]

...but only if the man is the one who pierced it!

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...l-assault.html

This seems like a very sexist ruling, where's the crime if the woman pierces the condoms herself in order to get pregnant against the man's wishes? What if she pokes holes in them and then claims it was the man, it seems like a very hard crime to defend yourself against in a case of a false accusation.

No where in the article does it say women can get away with it either

[Grizzly Willy]

No where in the article does it say women can get away with it either

Yeah, the OP needs to be fixed. Right now it just serves to provoke people with false information.

[Deleted]

No where in the article does it say women can get away with it either

Deliberately piercing a condom to cause a partner's pregnancy against her will constitutes sexual assault even if the couple is in a consensual relationship, Canada's Supreme Court ruled on Friday.

was the only thing i found that may lead to that conclusion

[The Yeti]

What a backwards logic. Adding more and more circumstances to the situation until the woman is free of any faults. "If she lied to you and you STILL...", how on earth is one supposed to know he's being lied to?

Please, if a woman decides to lie about whether or not she is on the pill, it's a choice she makes in full awareness of the possible consequences; while in the same time deluding the man and depriving him of the right to chose whether or not he wants to become a parent. Issues might especially arise if both parties are in a long term relationship or even marriage and they disagree about their wishes of becoming parents. Many men do not use condoms after she has been using the pill for a longer period of time and some sort of trust relationship was build.

Putting the blame on men alone is pure sexism and ignorance. Such ideology, or rather way of thinking, should naturally come as repulsive.

For what it's worth, the pill is only 100% effective if used correctly, which some women do not. you're making the choice to trust they've been following the correct way to use the pill if they say this. Also, condoms are used for more than just preventing pregnancy. Not using a condom exposes you to STDs. Unless my partner's been tested, I'd never go near them without one.

It's not sexism, or ignorance. It's literally stupid to not use a condom unless you have proof beyond a reasonable doubt that it'll be safe from STD and pregnancy due to other forms of birth control.

[Tinykong]

It's interesting, this isn't about STDs or fluid transfer, but "a sufficiently serious deprivation for the purposes of fraud vitiating consent."

It will be interesting if this goes higher, because it opens the door for women who knowingly deceive men into conception as also committing fraud.

[Orange Joe]

For what it's worth, the pill is only 100% effective if used correctly, which some women do not. you're making the choice to trust they've been following the correct way to use the pill if they say this. Also, condoms are used for more than just preventing pregnancy. Not using a condom exposes you to STDs. Unless my partner's been tested, I'd never go near them without one.

It's not sexism, or ignorance. It's literally stupid to not use a condom unless you have proof beyond a reasonable doubt that it'll be safe from STD and pregnancy due to other forms of birth control.

Well since there is a female condom too this logic applies in reverse.

[MatadorMedia]

So, wait, if I'm using the bare skin pull-out method... and I just, don't pull out, is that a crime now?