That would just get removed again in 6.0 anyway.The point of this is simple, mid season changes.
I'm just saying that you shouldn't get your hopes up for anything to happen before 6.0.
That would just get removed again in 6.0 anyway.The point of this is simple, mid season changes.
I'm just saying that you shouldn't get your hopes up for anything to happen before 6.0.
I'm fully aware that it would get removed again in WoD (I mentioned that I was perfectly okay with it in the original post).
What's for sure however is that nothing will happen this season if we don't try to make something happen, sure the chances are not great that something will happen, but what the hell I / we might aswell try.
First, Your exact words "With only 18 viable PvP specs (I want to apologize in advance if I calculated incorrectly, but I did not count Fire, Arcane, Demo, Combat etc since there are still other specs for those classes that fulfill the same role)"
So, Yes you did mention fire, and yes you did say it wasn't viable. So it looks like you need to read what you write.
And in regards to everything else, Yes, we do play two very different kinds of PvP, I do play competitive, but not rated, on my server we have a lot of very insane PvPers, but W-PvP is what we do, I'm not saying people who play Arena/rated are not good, far from it, But myself, and most people I know, prefer World PvP, as it's not as reliant on team composition, I never liked how organised arena was, I don't see the point myself, so yes, Things can be very different on both sides there, But just because some people know when to cast, and when not too, doesn't mean they are only against "bad players" I don't believe cyclone is an issue, as much as you think it is, plus come WoD there will be no instant CC anyway
Feral isn't bad in PvP, but it's definitely not "amazing" compared to other specs. As far as melee goes it's only better than Ret right now. If you don't understand why perhaps we'll have to explain it to you.
1. World Pvp is entirely different from instanced PvP because classes aren't balanced keeping it in mind.
2. Sounds like you found the worst pack of Horde - i.e. your anecdotal evidence is not an indication of the strengths and weaknesses for a spec.
3. Again - world pvp. People can slap on heroic gear and be near raid bosses. We don't know how undereageared the enemy was. They were obviously quite bad because any 2 dps will be able to take out you and your friend.
Tell you what. You (as feral) and your friend (as Guardian) queue for a 2v2 game and see how far you get. Grab someone else and queue for a 3v3 game and see how far you get.
Cyclone isn't 'fine' and calling usable because of a cast time is just stupid. See, anyone can play that game. You don't seem to understand the basic problem behind the concept of a melee spec sitting and attempting to fake cast a clone. Look up 'opportunity cost'.
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I was watching a recently uploaded broadcast on twitch from a Tyrannical Glad currently playing resto at 2.2k ish. They're playing RMD - arguably one of the top comps right now and came across Yipz (if you don't know him you're probably not in a place to comment on feral pvp) playing Feral/Spriest/Pally (I guess FPS is not a thing anymore). They beath Yipz both times but it was amazing how long Yipz's team survived due to sheer perseverance and skilled play. Even a player like Yipz barely gets a few cyclones off in the span of a 10 min game.
Everyone that's not completely biased or in denial knows this:
and nothing will, that retard Holinka mentioned already they are not going to touch anything in middle seasons.
also you thread title "...&Boring Gameplay..." - really, ferals are most fun to play over all classes... but I kinda see problem is in you, you don't like it yourself, and it doesn't mean others who play it also, how about you change to something else ?! 90lvl boost is here go go
and I don't understand your pool, your post is wall of text with DOBULE 1-4 statements, what are suggestions are I don't see them in post, your pool is useless
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I personally think Holinka made a huge mistake saying that (if he ever did that is) and as such I made this thread hoping for a change, I know the chances are slim, but they're obviously larger if we (Ferals) voice our opinions, the louder the better.
That's your opinion, mine is different. If you ask other Feral Druids on their opinion of Feral PvP this season I think they'll all go "I miss Cyclone, gameplay sucks and it's boring right now". If you read my post on arenajunkies, here and on eu-forums you'll see other Ferals agreeing. I believe a broad majority of competitive Feral PvPers agree with me on this point.
So whenever something doesn't play the way I want it to, instead of voicing my opinion and hoping for a change I should just swap to something else without a second thought, okay. Oh if everyone in this world thought like that.
Really though this argument has nothing to do with the topic at hand.
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If you actually read the post you'd understand what the options are and if you still don't, well then the issue's with you and considering you can't even type properly I think that's where the issue lies.
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Sure I mentioned Fire, but it wasn't Fire in specific I ment (I ment pure-classes offspecs for PvP), my bad.
But you completely misread what I ment by that entire paragraph though. What I ment was that there is no NEED for for Fire to be viable since Mages have Frost fullfulling the same role which Blizzard instead focus on balancing. Fire might be viable, great, but there is no need for it to be viable. That's why it's not generally counted/considered as a PvP spec, Frost is counted as the Mage PvP spec instead. Thus Mages only have one PvP spec, if the others work it's great, but it's not a priority considering Frost already fills the role.
The difference between Feral and Fire is that Fire has its role fullfilled by Frost already (Ranged DPS) whereas Ferals role (Melee DPS) is not filled by any other druid spec (sure Guardian is Melee, but it's a tank spec and I think we all know the difference).
Fire randomly pops up in some seasons and becomes viable, great, but most of the time it remains unviable.
You're wrong however, Fire is not viable this season. (no, just because they can kill people on isle they aren't viable)
It's not competitive if it's not rated and considering you don't seem to know much about the climate of arenas (or RBGs for that matter) and considering this thread describes an issue only found in competitive PvP you should maybe think about not posting further.
Considering you don't play competitive I understand why you don't see Cyclone as an issue, but for us that do WoD is an entire (long) season away, atleast 5, or more, monthsand until then we want to play just like everyone. We don't want to be damage bots when everyone else has so much (instant) CC.
Holinka is mistake himself, all MoP pvp shit is his fault
I'm miss cyclone also, but I see it overpowerness against otheres too and I heard and saw a rediculious whine from other 97.433486% of pvp community who is not playing ferals, yet it won't comback as instant anyway...
ofcourse it's a pleasure to have something better then other in your hands, but game moves with balancing things, one season you top composition, now you don't ,