6.0 Windwalker Discussion

[Hinalover]

Any rough statweights for the prepatch? I have 2set and HC AoC. Want to look what gems I should be buying before prices go higher. I've seen Haste/Crit will be better than Agi now but I'm not sure how much exactly.

I would say try to mix and match Crit/Haste gear until you have ~20% Haste, then go Crit/Mastery. As for Gems I would say if below 20%, a mix of Crit and Haste. Above 20%, full Crit.

If you want to do a preliminary look at what to expect, you can use Wowhead's Profile. For example, this is my character and you can get a general idea of what your stats will look like:

http://wod.wowhead.com/list=38675/us-kiljaeden-delritha

One other thing... You may want to look into getting Cata food/flasks. Due to the stat reduction, quite a few of the older expansion consumables/enchants are giving more stats than the MoP equivalents. Such as flasks, and food:

http://wod.wowhead.com/item=62669 vs http://wod.wowhead.com/item=74648

Even enchants are looking to be pretty good:

Mongoose - http://wod.wowhead.com/spell=27984 compared to http://wod.wowhead.com/spell=104434
Executioner - http://wod.wowhead.com/spell=42974 compared to http://wod.wowhead.com/spell=104425

[Deleted]

Are Warglaives really gonna be better than SoO weapons?

[ruga]

Are Warglaives really gonna be better than SoO weapons?

don't think so,they are very weak compared to Mythic WFed weapons:

http://wod.wowhead.com/item=105581
http://wod.wowhead.com/item=105504
vs
http://wod.wowhead.com/item=32837
http://wod.wowhead.com/item=32838

[Deleted]

Ahh good, should of double checked when buddy of mine posted glaives and soo weapon links, but the glaives link was current situation and Soo link was the 6.0.2 situation.

[Tradu]

http://wod.wowhead.com/item=62669 vs http://wod.wowhead.com/item=74648

Even enchants are looking to be pretty good:

Mongoose - http://wod.wowhead.com/spell=27984 compared to http://wod.wowhead.com/spell=104434
Executioner - http://wod.wowhead.com/spell=42974 compared to http://wod.wowhead.com/spell=104425

So the uptime on Mongoose is about the same as Dancing Steel and it's actually worth using? Can't remember what the uptime is like myself, haven't used it since I played feral in WotLK.
Oh, and did you end up running it through Simcraft to check, if so, mind posting the results?

Running the sims myself, assuming just changing the 2x "dancing_steel" to "mongoose" is all it takes(using the T16M 1h profile). Did 10k iterations with both sets, Mongoose got 15,259 DPS and Dancing Steel got 15,462. Doing a 50k for each as well, just to make sure.

50k results:
Mongoose: 15,261 (20% uptime on each hand)
DS: 15,459 (~46.5% uptime on each hand)
Windsong: 15,179 (16% uptime per buff per hand)
Executioner: 15,086 (36% uptime, didn't list seperate MH and OH uptimes)

Random thing I noticed: the Readiness buff in Simcraft says 66%(using the BiS profile), but the highest you can get it in-game is 54.46%. Not sure if there's some technical reason for that, just thought I'd mention it.

TL;DR: The MoP enchants are 100-200 DPS(0.5-1.5%) stronger than their TBC counterparts.

[adam380]

So the uptime on Mongoose is about the same as Dancing Steel and it's actually worth using? Can't remember what the uptime is like myself, haven't used it since I played feral in WotLK.
Oh, and did you end up running it through Simcraft to check, if so, mind posting the results?

Running the sims myself, assuming just changing the 2x "dancing_steel" to "mongoose" is all it takes(using the T16M 1h profile). Did 10k iterations with both sets, Mongoose got 15,259 DPS and Dancing Steel got 15,462. Doing a 50k for each as well, just to make sure.

50k results:
Mongoose: 15,261 (20% uptime on each hand)
DS: 15,459 (~46.5% uptime on each hand)
Windsong: 15,179 (16% uptime per buff per hand)
Executioner: 15,086 (36% uptime, didn't list seperate MH and OH uptimes)

Random thing I noticed: the Readiness buff in Simcraft says 66%(using the BiS profile), but the highest you can get it in-game is 54.46%. Not sure if there's some technical reason for that, just thought I'd mention it.

TL;DR: The MoP enchants are 100-200 DPS(0.5-1.5%) stronger than their TBC counterparts.

I'm not sure how you was Simcrafting it but each Sim I did I was getting 51.77% uptime on mh and 51.77% on oh for Mongoose and 46.56%% mh 46.45%% oh for Dancing Steel, also went with 10k iterations

[Tradu]

I'm not sure how you was Simcrafting it but each Sim I did I was getting 51.77% uptime on mh and 51.77% on oh for Mongoose and 46.56%% mh 46.45%% oh for Dancing Steel, also went with 10k iterations

Copied the T16M profile, changed "dancing_steel" to "mongoose", changed it to use all buffs(I think there were 2 that weren't ticked by default) and ran 10/50k iterations.

Just ran it again, same result(20% uptime/hand) Dropbox with the results

I'm using the 64bit WoD version(602-10-12)

[adam380]

Copied the T16M profile, changed "dancing_steel" to "mongoose", changed it to use all buffs(I think there were 2 that weren't ticked by default) and ran 10/50k iterations.

Just ran it again, same result(20% uptime/hand) Dropbox with the results

I'm using the 64bit WoD version(602-10-12)

You're correct sorry I had the wrong client open -_- same results as you 20% for mongoose 46% for ds, still quite crazy to see only about a 200 dps loss for mongoose.

[psiko74]

Should I still use 2pc tier with HWF or switch to 4pc tier?

[FayrenPickpocket]

So FoF and RSK just got a 10% buff according to the class balancing hotfixes they still pushed through. I think our new priority is still the same, with FoF>RSK if debuff is up.

[Zenlogic]

So FoF and RSK just got a 10% buff according to the class balancing hotfixes they still pushed through. I think our new priority is still the same, with FoF>RSK if debuff is up.

Yea the 6.0.2 rotation is the same, nice buffs tho.

[TheWindWalker]

Nevermind. Misread something.

[Hinalover]

So FoF and RSK just got a 10% buff according to the class balancing hotfixes they still pushed through. I think our new priority is still the same, with FoF>RSK if debuff is up.

Just as an update, I did some testing on Beta, and it does not look like the Windwalker ones specifically (FoF and RSK) were hotfixed yet. But I'll do some testing once the live servers come up and test again then.

[Callimonk]

You guys are awesome! Thank you so much for your hard work - this has been a wonderful beta (and somewhat PTR) cycle. With 6.0 coming out, I'm going to go ahead and wrap up this thread. Feel free to start posting to the new Windwalker thread!