First Amendment Areas.

[lockedout]

This is an example of a first amendment area.


This particular sign was in Nevada where that cattle/land debacle is going on but they have been posted in other areas in similar situations.
What do you think about this? Does it mean the 1st amendment doesn't exist outside those zones, what is the point of a "first amendment zone?"

[Robert3620]

This is done a lot now. It just shows further that the United States is moving further and further away from democracy and closer to a fascist state.

During the last election when Jill Stien attempted to take part in the debates she was arrested. The United States is a two party state and there's really not a large amount of difference between them.

[Gumboy]

I think it is kind of ludicrous, forcing people to go into a cordoned off area far from where stuff is happening, and if you do anything outside it related to what is going on, BAM, instant arrest/detainment

The son of the guy out there was taking pictures of them taking cattle, and he was arrested for being outside the "First amendment" zone while protesting lol :P hes out now though, not sure if they are charging him for anything in the long run. Just took him to the pokey and kept him a couple nights.

[Orlong]

Its bullshit in my opinion. The constitution doesnt say we have the freedom of speech only in designated areas. I voice my opinion anywhere I damn well please and refuse to be stuck in a little box to do it

[lockedout]

I think it is kind of ludicrous, forcing people to go into a cordoned off area far from where stuff is happening, and if you do anything outside it related to what is going on, BAM, instant arrest/detainment

Whoever ordered that sign to be made should be put in prison.

[Gumboy]

And to be fair (And I'm not sure they are on entirely different sides honestly, or even on the same plane of argument) I said the same thing about the whole "Occupy" movement. Let them protest. No such thing as a free speech "area"

Obviously you can't let people just be all up in cops grills, but you cant just force them into tiny little areas away from where things are happening either :P

[usiris]

Its bullshit in my opinion. The constitution doesnt say we have the freedom of speech only in designated areas. I voice my opinion anywhere I damn well please and refuse to be stuck in a little box to do it

If you could go yell fire in a movie theater and come back with the results.

Thank you

[ryanmahaffe]

This is done a lot now. It just shows further that the United States is moving further and further away from democracy and closer to a fascist state.

During the last election when Jill Stien attempted to take part in the debates she was arrested. The United States is a two party state and there's really not a large amount of difference between them.

Saying we are a fascist state shows you know nothing about fascism...

[Deleted]

Its bullshit in my opinion. The constitution doesnt say we have the freedom of speech only indesignated areas. I voice my opinion anywhere I damn well please and refuse to be stuck in a little box to do it

Freedom of speech has limits, try going into detroit wearing this sign and tell them that you have a right to say what you want.

[Gumboy]

In all seriousness, there's really no context given to this, so it's hard to have a serious opinion about it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speech_zone


"In 2003, the ACLU brought a lawsuit against the Secret Service, ACORN v. Secret Service, representing the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN). "The federal court in Philadelphia dismissed that case in March [2004] after the Secret Service acknowledged that it could not discriminate against protesters through the use of out-of-sight, out-of-earshot protest zones."[28] Another 2003 lawsuit against the city of Philadelphia, ACORN v. Philadelphia, charged that the Philadelphia Police Department, on orders from the Secret Service, had kept protesters "further away from the site of presidential visits than Administration supporters. A high-ranking official of the Philadelphia police told ACLU of Pennsylvania Legal Director Stefan Presser that he was only following Secret Service orders."[20][29] However, the court found the ACLU lacked standing to bring the case and dismissed it.[30]"


Kind of the important part-yeah, from wikipedia but it was a court case. Basically court said they couldn't do it, they kept doing it, and then it just kind of got brushed away :P

[lockedout]

In all seriousness, there's really no context given to this, so it's hard to have a serious opinion about it.

It was set up near the Bundy ranch in Nevada, like I said in the first post.

[Gumboy]

If you could go yell fire in a movie theater and come back with the results.

Thank you

That is not what this is about. Yes, the way he said it sounded like he wanted to be able to do that. However this is about protesting/picketing/whatever. Not just screaming willy nilly like you are making it out to be.

Same goes to rich, who I assume linked the bruce willis "I hate n*ggers" sign.

Edited for censorship I guess.

[Crissi]

RICH, you broke the internet!

Anyways as long as they dont pose a saftey issue and dont incite riots, i think public areas should be fine for free speech and not just given a certain spot.

[usiris]

That is not what this is about. Yes, the way he said it sounded like he wanted to be able to do that. However this is about protesting/picketing/whatever. Not just screaming willy nilly like you are making it out to be.

Same goes to rich, who I assume linked the bruce willis "I hate n*ggers" sign.

Edited for censorship I guess.

I realize what the topic of the article is and tend to go with:

In all seriousness, there's really no context given to this, so it's hard to have a serious opinion about it.

edit: and I see your other post...brb reading.




I'm replying to that post because, like you said, it sounds like he wants to say whatever he wants where ever he wants.

[Deleted]

That is not what this is about. Yes, the way he said it sounded like he wanted to be able to do that. However this is about protesting/picketing/whatever. Not just screaming willy nilly like you are making it out to be.

Same goes to rich, who I assume linked the bruce willis "I hate n*ggers" sign.

Edited for censorship I guess.

Don't censor it, censorship gives a word power. Say it loud and proud and embrace it, just like gays have done with the word faggot.

[Orlong]

If you could go yell fire in a movie theater and come back with the results.

Thank you

Seems funny that is the only example anyone ever gives. The only reason you cant do that is because it also breaks another law (inciting a riot). Protesting has no restrictions. Also opinions are always free to say. It isnt an opinnion that there is a fire. There either is or there isnt

[Deleted]

Seems funny that is the only example anyone ever gives. The only reason you cant do that is because it also breaks another law (inciting a riot). Protesting has no restrictions

I gave another example, did you miss that?

[Gumboy]

Don't censor it, censorship gives a word power. Say it loud and proud and embrace it, just like gays have done with the word faggot.

I didn't censor it to begin with, but I did not want to risk an infraction I guess?

[lockedout]

I'm replying to that post because, like you said, it sounds like he wants to say whatever he wants where ever he wants.

And you can as long as you aren't breaking a law, like for instance yelling fire in a theatre when there isn't a fire. You have the right to a lawful protest.

[Cthulhu 2020]

Summary and context of the full story (as I understand it):

Cattle owner hasn't paid public land grazing fees since 1993, and has been using public (government owned) land to graze his cattle all this time.
Bureau of Land Management (BLM) is now forcing him to remove his cattle, upon refusing to do so, they began doing it themselves.
Cattle owner, family, and eventually Tea Partiers showed up to protest the removal of his cattle from public land.
Protesters were getting in the way of the operation to remove the cattle back to cattle owner's ranch, BLM set up "first amendment areas" for them to protest out of the way of the operation to move the cattle from public land.
Infowars, Alex Jones, and other conspiracy sites have turned this into an "omg the government is taking away our rights!"



So basically, a bunch of protesters were getting in the way of federal agents doing their job because some guy was using public land illegally, and all of a sudden "first amendment area" means the US is a fascist state.

Never change conspiracy nuts, and keep jonesing for your next Alex Jones story.