3 more mandatory vaccines for Ontario school children

[Bendog423]

Children dying because you disagree with their parents is never even remotely funny.

Who said it was funny?

[Gheld]

While I agree it's not as not as important as the others, it's good to keep in mind that less than 100 years ago the Sapnish Flu took out 3-5% of the populations, and with the world being much more interconnected now than it was in the early 1900's those numbers could be much higher if another flu pandemic happened. I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Influenza is a much more complicated illness to judge a pandemic of than something like Pertussis, which is "bacteria grows in lungs, bacteria makes you cough, Newton's third law sends you flying backwards into the morgue".

Typically only children and elderly die of the Influenza virus itself; while late teens and adults die from their immune response to the virus. And now methods and drugs exist to treat severe causes of hypercytokinemia, so deaths in the healthy population due to Influenza are at an all time low.

And Herd immunity is hard to argue with Influenza considering it's short evolutionary cycle, and the unproven efficacy of the vaccine as a result, and the fact that so many strains are going around that it's a game of "Guess which strains will be common this year."

The end result is that people end up with Influenza because they get the annual shot and think "lol I don't need to be careful around people who look sick because I'm immune." and spread it around because their sense of immunity makes them cavalier about their hygiene.

Which is why I argue that Flu vaccine should be done on a more targeted basis; focused on high risk individuals.

[Masark]

The end result is that people end up with Influenza because they get the annual shot and think "lol I don't need to be careful around people who look sick because I'm immune." and spread it around because their sense of immunity makes them cavalier about their hygiene.

Which is why I argue that Flu vaccine should be done on a more targeted basis; focused on high risk individuals.

Actual data suggests otherwise.

[Nillah]

Article aside, anti-vax nutjobs should be charged with some kind of criminal offense for the endangerment of society. They're the reason we're seeing a resurgence of Measles within North America and abroad.

I know someone personally that's against them, mother of 2 or 3 young boys(I forget) and currently pregnant again. She isn't even slightly open to the idea of vaccinating, and it drives me nuts, because she has no real reason to be against it. Seems like she just doesn't want to just for the sake of not wanting to.

The whole thing just makes me angry. I'm all for people making their own decisions for them and their families but there is a real problem with not getting kids vaccinated.

[Masark]

The whole thing just makes me angry. I'm all for people making their own decisions for them and their families but there is a real problem with not getting kids vaccinated.

Anti-vax people are increasingly pushing my opinion on the matter towards "Oh, fuck it. Hand me that syringe gun."

[Lenonis]

Anti-vax people are increasingly pushing my opinion on the matter towards "Oh, fuck it. Hand me that syringe gun."

This is one of my more controversial views. I'm fine with forced vaccination. (As sad as it is that I have to say that I clearly don't mean people who are immunocompomised, allergic, or would otherwise have legit complications from said vaccination).

[Aeluron Lightsong]

Dear Anti vaxxers who think it causes Autism.


Fuck you.



Note this isn't towards anyone in this thread who has posted so far.

[MerinPally]

Dear Anti vaxxers who think it causes Autism.


Fuck you.



Note this isn't towards anyone in this thread who has posted so far.

It can if you want it to be darling. Anything for you.

[RaoBurning]

The whole anti-vax movement is just baffling. There is a mountain of evidence that shows that the science the platform is based off of was made up and has no actual basis in fact. Yet it is still clinged too like gospel.

Then there is the whole "big pharma/evil government" conspiracy side to it which....yeah. God forbid people actually use their brain cells to realize how stupid they sound.

The problem as far as I can tell is that most of these folks aren't interested in the truth. They grabbed a belief from the ether and will do everything in their cognitive power to keep it true, no matter how unfounded it is. I made the fool mistake of attempting to engage my sister's friend, a mother of two, to correct her wildly inaccurate (she was posting articles from whale.to) ideas. I made a very long, detailed, and thorough post. I cited the CDC, the WHO, the AAP, and even a damn mommy blog. I made sure to include a myths/faq section.

All my work was met with a picture of a needle with some text that said mercury and aluminum are bad. She didn't read a goddamn thing I wrote. The only upside is that, before the thread was deleted, a whole mess of other people got on her case. Maybe if she hears it often enough and from enough angles she'll rethink her position.

I should add that she said, "I don't trust the CDC because of all the bad things they let in our food." Because it's sad and hilarious. You can really tell who flunked their research papers in high school.

[endersblade]

This thread is now about how when I click the link i get this..





There are really news sites like this?

WTF, 7? I got 2, and I've never even been to that site before >.> I call shenanigans!

[Cthulhu 2020]

I did a search for "mercury" and the only hit I got was a post explaining about how some bimbo made an argument that mercury was bad, and not actually an argument from the anti-vax crowd about mercury being in vaccines. I'm proud of MMO-C for once.

[TirielWoW]

Did you miss the part where I said that I agree with keeping them out of the schools?

I thought agreed we were sending the elective non-vaccinated (i.e. the people who COULD get vaccinated but refuse to because "OMG AUTISM") to Polio Island?

[Aeluron Lightsong]

It can if you want it to be darling. Anything for you.

You're not a gal. Sorry. No homo.

[Hexian]

Did you miss the part where I said that I agree with keeping them out of the schools?

I missed the part where you stated your actual opinion rather than simply trying to stir up another thread.

[Artikality]

Because of those anti-vaccination campaigns there's been measles outbreaks in children. It's not some pseudo-science; it's peer-reviewed articles that are validated again and again and has saved millions (if not billions) of lives. I'm surprised they haven't been put in place earlier.

[someotherguy]

I don't agree with the 'mandatory' part. Is this for public schools only? does Canada have private schools? and are private schools obligated to do this as well?

[Sunseeker]

I think the states has done 2/3 for a while now.

[Tyrianth]

I don't agree with the 'mandatory' part. Is this for public schools only? does Canada have private schools? and are private schools obligated to do this as well?

Public schools only, we do have private schools but I've never seen or heard of anyone going to one.

[Mihalik]

Article aside, anti-vax nutjobs should be charged with some kind of criminal offense for the endangerment of society. They're the reason we're seeing a resurgence of Measles within North America and abroad.

Agreed. Anti-vax parents should all be charged with child endangerment.

[the game]

Fantastic. America should require vaccinations in public schools. If anti vaccinators don't like it they can go somewhere else.