It has been proven in many areas(that includes sport, buisness etc.). There is a big difference between paper statistics and workload. And this is why, we have the difference between the average and top tier guilds. It all about, what people will focus on and what kind of approach they take.
Who wants to play with a group, with a raidleader who randomly invites people, wiping, kicking and so on in frustration? I rather make my own group and if it fails, then people must blame me(afterall it is my responsibility, i gave the invitation).
And this is why im telling people like OP and other tryhards, that leaders who are checking iLvls out, are simple bad. They suck.
Last edited by Strifeload; 2014-04-30 at 11:03 AM.
In a guild, YES, there should be research/an interview, but a PuG is completely different.
And no, you can't tell if a DPS is reliable just from talking to them. Anybody can learn the tactics or whatever by heart, but still fail at executing them.
PuG runs are doomed then, let us agree on that. Afterall, its completely fine to form PuG's randomly(just like playing lottery)and work it out that way, until everything is in order.
There IS a difference between guilds and PuGs, that will ALWAYS be there, because PuGs don't have to give a shit about the others, as they might very well never meet them again, while in guilds, you generally stick together for ages.
my 553 mage cant get into to barely any SoO runs even though i have 8/14H xp and hes 11/14N
I had 545 item level people pulling 120k DPS on Garrosh.. Because of those people pug leaders want over-the-top item level as well as achievement. Nobody wants to get stuck on the boss they already defeated just cause few people can't pull out their weight.
So ye - for pugs I always demand 550+ item level. Guildes? We've taken guildes with 500ilv on that fight and it was all right...
I didnt know that it was "okay" to wipe 10-20 times(with a group of 550+ people, way above the required iLvl average), replace people, whine and QQ, rinse and repeat, until everything is in order. It must be great.
Last edited by Strifeload; 2014-04-30 at 12:49 PM.
You clearly dont pug at all and as such can't really comment on what approach is good or bad, you simply dont know.
Making assumptions based on guesses is never a good outcome.
How do you think guild group progresses content ? Do you think they magically dont wipe aobve a certain ilvl ? Get real kiddo.
Join openraid. yes wipes happen there unless you are joining a hardcore raid. but with your attitude i doubt you would have a chance of joining them.
Be civil and maybe someone might want to take you along.
Last edited by Strifeload; 2014-04-30 at 12:57 PM.
Do they happen to have farmed 25man bis geared and be among the best players in the world ?
How can you even compare the best players in the world, to a random group that often lacks basics tools such a voice communication ?
People can fail cause ilvl does not equal skill and majority of your average flex/normal raider isn't very skilled, higher ilvl will insure a higher ceiling of dps, regardless of what that roof is, in a vaccum where skill does not exist, more ilvl equals more dps. Its really that simple.
You also seem to live in some sort of bubble where wipes doesn't happen, top world guilds spends hundreds of wipes per boss during progression, are they also just bad ?
People fail because they suck, easy as that.
If you had invited people with 540 ilvl cause you thought they had skill, it would have been even worse, but i thought you could tell skill in random people, thats what you've been saying for 2 pages, not so easy huh ?
Last edited by santa666; 2014-04-30 at 01:08 PM.