I dont understand why warriors don't have innate tankiness

[Angarin]

It really bothers me

Theres almost no point in having one unless its muradin or ETC because of their CC potential.

Arthas has slows, but no real way to close the gap unless he catches someone with his w which is pretty easy to dodge.

His sindy ult is pretty easy to avoid.


Diablo is just annoying in general, great CC potential with his ult once a fight has been in session for a second or two. Lightning breath does insane damage.

Barbarian overall for some reason doesn't seem strong.

Stitches hooks are great if landed, beyond that he does decent damage, but nothing more.

[Tziva]

All of the heroes for all the categories are supposed to have some fluidity in their roles. Through talents, you can opt to make Stitches be heartier or deal more damage, depending on whether you want to play him more like a tank or more like a damage-dealer. Support guys can either heal better or do more damage. Assassins can trade some damage for more survivability or some specialist abilities. Warriors can deal more damage, or others can be more tanky. Some Heroes are better at this than others, though, so if you really want the tankiest-tank, you'd probably pick someone like Muradin and pick all their talents and abilities into tank stuff.

(also, Blizzard is defining their roles slightly differently than other games in the genre. The class of warrior isn't necessarily supposed to be a straight "tank" role, just a more even balance of surv and dps)

[Deleted]

Adding to what Tziva say, roles in heroes seems to have very wide definitions.
To compare to LoL
Warrior do include what could be Tanks, Off-Tanks and Bruisers. Sonya for example is definitely a type of Bruiser more than a type of tank, while the spear is a disable the duration is too short to be a type of control that allow her to be defined as a tank that usually have a displace and/or disable along with the HP amounts.

[Angarin]

I see ok then

I find arthas pretty squishy though and I'd assume of all people he'd be one of the tankiest.

[Azrile]

I see ok then

I find arthas pretty squishy though and I'd assume of all people he'd be one of the tankiest.

It really comes down to your talent choices. I´ve been playing around with tanks a lot this week just to see how different they feel depending on how you talent them. I think the devs are going to line it up to where their is an even flow.. for intance an assassin talented a certain way can be as ´tanky´ as a tank who is talented towards damage.

[Museigen]

I see ok then

I find arthas pretty squishy though and I'd assume of all people he'd be one of the tankiest.

Then the talent choices were likely focused on offense, and even then it's hard to imagine Arthas being squishy. I just got enough gold to buy him and did a few games focusing down the survivability side of things and it felt like I could tank a minion wave, a tower and their whole team. His damage can be okay, surely not as bursty as an assassin or anything but if you catch someone with howling blast then give them a hug with his frozen arua up, smack him with a frost strike for the slow all the whlie auto attacking with the frostmourne hungers buff up it's a nice chunk of damage.

That being said, arthas catching anyone in the first place should be a rarity and I think his Sindragossa ult has too long of a delay or not enough projectile speed, it is quite easy to dodge. The amount of self healing he can do, as well as mana regeneration with FM hungers plus his superiority talent (-50% non heroic damage) can have you staying in a lane and never taking a step backward. Overall he feels a bit incomplete with how easy it is to keep him at range, but I suppose everyone is supposed to have a weakness.

[Rothulean]

I'll just come right out and say it because I dont know who else in this thread is in the Alpha (I am). Right now, the game is not balance (but its an alpha, thats expected). Unfortunately, that means that right now, assassins are overpowered and warriors are underpowered. Assassins simply do too much damage atm and really destroy warriors without a dedicated healer (primarily Malfurion, whose also probably overpowered).

Just give it time, its an alpha. Warriors will either be granted more "tankiness" or assassins will be nerfed. Things wont stay like they are now, without a doubt.

[Tziva]

I'll just come right out and say it because I dont know who else in this thread is in the Alpha (I am). Right now, the game is not balance (but its an alpha, thats expected). Unfortunately, that means that right now, assassins are overpowered and warriors are underpowered. Assassins simply do too much damage atm and really destroy warriors without a dedicated healer (primarily Malfurion, whose also probably overpowered).

Just give it time, its an alpha. Warriors will either be granted more "tankiness" or assassins will be nerfed. Things wont stay like they are now, without a doubt.

I'm in the alpha but I've been almost exclusively playing the Witch Doctor right now. I've played at least ten games on every hero, but a lot of those were on co-op. I think WD, Stitches, and Malfurion are the only classes I've played on Verses.

Some of the assassins seem really strong right now. I'm still not very good and play too aggressively and end up feeding kills to the other team more than I should, but there are some times I get ambushed by an assassin at full health and die before I can even run away (Illidan and Zeratul are the worst for this), so I'm going to say its about 70% me, 30% tuning. Warriors vary a lot but I think that's intended, not a tuning issue. So my money is on Assassins needing the biggest adjustment.

But yeah, afaik, they haven't even started tuning yet. Right now it's all about server stability, general UI, quest design, and implementing those features, heroes and skins that aren't in yet. When they do get around to it, I'm sure everyone will get it.

[Rothulean]

Zeratul and Nova are the worst offenders when it comes to assassins doing too much damage. Nova can burst for such high damage its insane. Zeratul has both invisibility AND teleportation, which is kind of silly (on top of very high damage). Warriors are probably balanced. Assassins most definitely are not.

Just avoid Warrior heroes for now, since they just arent very effective at being tanky.

[Bookofblade]

I would put Illidan at or above Zara or Nova at dmg potential

[Valedus]

Zeratul and Nova are the worst offenders when it comes to assassins doing too much damage. Nova can burst for such high damage its insane. Zeratul has both invisibility AND teleportation, which is kind of silly (on top of very high damage). Warriors are probably balanced. Assassins most definitely are not.

Just avoid Warrior heroes for now, since they just arent very effective at being tanky.

Nova isn't actually all that great. Triple Tap is easily counterable with smart positioning/CC, and her snipe will only hit for about 1.1k-1.2k at the end of the game with Ambush Snipe. Raynor can get to a point where he's shooting 700 auto attacks, maybe even more. Combine that with Hyperion's incredible teamfight auto-win after 20 and its nasty.
Agree on Zera though, but he's a glass cannon to compensate. If Zeratul isn't next to you, he's pretty much dead.
All of the assassin's can put out good damage, but some of them are just plain better at escape/surv. Nova is at the bottom of the list, IMO. Illidan gets insane hp pool from meta, Raynor has adrenaline rush and a knockback, Zeratul has blink for escape if he doesn't need it to close, Falstad has the charge/passive/fly away if you break LOS. Don't even get me started on Kerrigan... I don't know why she isn't played more, her passive is nuts. Tychus doesn't have great survivability, but he has a knockback and Odin has a separate health bar.

[Deleted]

I see ok then

I find arthas pretty squishy though and I'd assume of all people he'd be one of the tankiest.

You just have to get a feel for the kind of punishment your character can take vs the damage out-put of who you are going against. Sometimes that takes a while to get used to, but before you know it, you will know what encounters to avoid, and ones you stand a good chance in.

[Novarian]

Arthas is pretty tanky if you get path of the warrior, rune tap and his ghouls ult. With that up you can endure quite a bit of damage and with his new death coil heal you can keep yourself up for a while.

[Orkwuzhere]

Barbarian overall for some reason doesn't seem strong.

Sonya is probably the worst warrior if you want a warrior. Even with a dps build based off Siesmic Slam, her damage with Whirlwind is too terrible to pose a threat for anybody. Arthas can take a beating and dish it out with a good build. Stitches isn't somebody to blow off like Sonya if he has gourge.

[Novarian]

Sonya is probably the worst warrior if you want a warrior. Even with a dps build based off Siesmic Slam, her damage with Whirlwind is too terrible to pose a threat for anybody. Arthas can take a beating and dish it out with a good build. Stitches isn't somebody to blow off like Sonya if he has gourge.

Yeah I've noticed this too when I was playing her today. It could be just that I don't know how to play her but she seemed a bit...lacking to me.

[Valedus]

Yeah I've noticed this too when I was playing her today. It could be just that I don't know how to play her but she seemed a bit...lacking to me.

As of right now, Whirlwind is a waste of fury. You simply build Seismic slam up and she does impressive damage. Considering SS has essentially no cd, you don't need to use fury on anything else. She excels at smashing heroes like Zeratul.
She's hardly a warrior though, but plenty of other warriors are incredibly tanky.

[Deleted]

Sonya is probably the worst warrior if you want a warrior. Even with a dps build based off Siesmic Slam, her damage with Whirlwind is too terrible to pose a threat for anybody. Arthas can take a beating and dish it out with a good build. Stitches isn't somebody to blow off like Sonya if he has gourge.

sadly true, and sonya is by far my favourite character but she needs either a redesign or heavy tuning passes. The whirlwind looks like designer more for recovering health in lane than actually be used during proper combat, however it seems to fails badly at that.

[Radux]

sadly true, and sonya is by far my favourite character but she needs either a redesign or heavy tuning passes. The whirlwind looks like designer more for recovering health in lane than actually be used during proper combat, however it seems to fails badly at that.

I think her initial "tankiness" used to be from her life leach on her old passive. When they removed that (without buffing it elsewhere), it kinda screwed her survivability.

[personn5]

One problem I have with whirlwind is how any stun or knockback interrupts it and you lose all the fury spent on it.

Only time I can ever remember using Whirlwind is when I'm trying to escape and need it for the speed boost.

[Deleted]

I think her initial "tankiness" used to be from her life leach on her old passive. When they removed that (without buffing it elsewhere), it kinda screwed her survivability.

to be honest I think they want to make her more a bruiser than a tank, go in deal some damage, get out, get some sustain with whirlwind, and repeat.

However with the current heroes that include proper healer heroes, bullying seems quite a difficult taks. It is possible that good players (not me clearly ) will come out with a meta that will favor her in some way.