Swedish Feminist party in EU?

[Kurioxan]

I couldn't even read at 5. Clearly due to lack of mother and my father being a male and therefore useless.

Well my mother did teach me to read at 3 So you might be on to something!!111

Also gg extremists, this is how noble causes die, buried under drivel, power grabs and ignorant fanaticism.

[theostrichsays]

I don't keep up with foreign elections that much, but that proposed "man tax" how would that go over with the general populace? Really curious about that, as an individual who has never committed a act of violence against a women, yet my ex wife got arrested years ago for getting drunk and laying into me in public until the police showed up. That interests me on how it would be received (I would imagine poorly but the reception to many things from people in the EU on these forums alone, has shown a large difference in EU and US thinking) if it was proposed again with some measure of authority behind it.
Also the immigration thing is a surprise to me. My brother is gay and hangs out on many websites and "pages" for feminism, and some of the Swedish (I only know that because he normally specifies them from American or other EU feminist for some reason) have posted some anti-Mid Eastern rants that challenges the reddest of the southern American states hatred.

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The best one if climate change for 5 year olds.

I'm not really against learning climate change being taught at a young age, even if 5 years is a bit too early since 5-year olds are generally unable to even comprehend countries, but I think it's important that climate education is important enough to prop into the kid's minds before they turn into angsty teenagers and are basically shielded from any kind of information that doesn't fit their world view.

[Aeula]

This is what happens when humans get too much freedom, not that freedom is a bad thing, just that you're bound to get morons with idiotic and stupid opinions.

[Zarc]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feminis...e_%28Sweden%29

http://www.euractiv.com/sections/eu-...nt-seat-302067



So, I've been reading about them in Swedish media as of lately as well and I must say - what the fuck? They want to dismantle our defense and let womens rights, lbgt and anti-racist organizations handle conflicts. Even abroad.

They want to send men to be reschooled to change their consumation patterns.

They want all kids before age of 5 to have mandatory sexual education and climate education.

They want the society to live after what they call 15-minutes principle. That means that you should have no further to your work, job, school or anything like that than 15 minutes. How are they going to pull that one off?

All elderly people should have the right to live centrally. What about others?

No cars should be allowed in towns, everyone should travel with busses or trains in towns and all transportation of goods will be by train and no trucks.

Unemployment will be "exterminated" by introducing 6 hour work days instead of the current system.

They want to get rid of the things that stops women from starting and running companies. What is that stops them from doing that I don't know?

They're for completely free immigration(rofl) as well.


What do you think about this? Should such a party even be sitting in the EU parliament or a countries parliament?

If enough people vote for said party then yes, yes they should. Very weird of you to declare that a party deserves no mandates simply because you disagree with their opinions. Fascist. Furthermore, you seem to give a very biased review of the party here.

That being said, I would never vote for them. The problem with F! is not their Feminism, but the fact that they much like the Environmental Party (of Sweden) claim to not fall into the traditional left and right of politics, when the fact of the matter is that they are nothing more than another Socialist party, spearheaded by a Socialist. While I'm not a Feminist (as I disagree with the name itself, although I support gender equality of course) myself I feel it is a shame that they have hi-jacked the Feminist cause for a Socialist agenda.

That is no reason to be so incredibly biased as you are here, however. Many of the points you make about their lunacy is in fact only you being dishonest. Like the "re-schooling" of the men point for example, you make it sound as if they want to put all men in mandatory school and/or force them to alter their consumption pattern. That is not the case, they are simply acknowledging the statistical fact that men is 50% of world population yet they consume like 75% (or something like that) of all resources used by man kind. And so the "re-schooling" is just figuratively saying that they want to help change society so that men's resource usage is reduced to the levels of women by having them work less, leaving more time for them to spend with the family like women do, by introducing such measures as 6 hour work days for all (instead of the wife working 75%, not an uncommon scenario) and split parental care (instead of the wife taking out 90%, or whatever) etc.

And the 15-minute principle sounds like a perfectly admirable goal. I would love to have everything accessible within 15 minutes. It's not like they plan on forcibly moving all country folk to the cities or anything. What is wrong with aspirations? If it's something the major parties lack it is putting fourth visionary views of where they want society to go, rather it's just focus on what the tax rates should be for the next 4 years. That is true lunacy.

That being said I disagree with most of their stances, such as no defense, higher taxes and a range of other ideas they have.

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Also the immigration thing is a surprise to me. My brother is gay and hangs out on many websites and "pages" for feminism, and some of the Swedish (I only know that because he normally specifies them from American or other EU feminist for some reason) have posted some anti-Mid Eastern rants that challenges the reddest of the southern American states hatred.

They're not the most common ones.

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That interests me on how it would be received (I would imagine poorly but the reception to many things from people in the EU on these forums alone, has shown a large difference in EU and US thinking)

Trust me, they're not getting any positive response except from the most radical of radical feminists.

Also the immigration thing is a surprise to me. My brother is gay and hangs out on many websites and "pages" for feminism, and some of the Swedish (I only know that because he normally specifies them from American or other EU feminist for some reason) have posted some anti-Mid Eastern rants that challenges the reddest of the southern American states hatred.

Yeah... there are a lot of socialists who are racist, believe it or not.

[Stir]

By age five, I knew quite a few things about sex, because my parents educated me on it (using education books). Of course, I was completely obsessed with origin and death, so I was asking non-stop about those subjects.

But yeah; some of the things here are rather extreme and (implied) misandrist...
Though to be honest, I do see benefits for the six-hour work day. I don't think it's a good idea to eradicate unemployment, however... Supply and demand, and all that. The job market will become too stable, and will no longer be able to adapt, innovate, change, fluctuate, or... Well; do anything that requires it to be fluid. Like 'function.'

However, if you don't want them to be in the EU, then don't vote for them. That is the only thing you can do in a democratic society. As long as they don't break any laws, that is.

[Deleted]

I'm not really against learning climate change being taught at a young age, even if 5 years is a bit too early since 5-year olds are generally unable to even comprehend countries, but I think it's important that climate education is important enough to prop into the kid's minds before they turn into angsty teenagers and are basically shielded from any kind of information that doesn't fit their world view.

I agree that it should be taught to pre teens to a basic level.

But 5 years old are really god damn stupid and can just about handle very basic reading skills.

[Spectral]

You could say "No actual feminist is in favor of subjugating men because to be a feminist is to work for equality for women," and it would totally be OK.

Why should anyone find that compelling though? If the people that are publicly identifying as feminists actually are a bunch of a batshit loons, why would it be better to have some characterization of them that doesn't seem to fit reality? This argument seems no different to me than the people insist up and down that real Muslims wouldn't have flown planes into buildings, or that true Christians wouldn't murder doctors that perform abortions. The word "feminist" has a lot more baggage that comes with it now than just, "people that want equality for women", since the vast, vast bulk of people in Western nations want equality for women, but do not identify as feminist.

[Archangel Tyrael]

That sounds very funny.

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By age five, I knew quite a few things about sex, because my parents educated me on it (using education books). Of course, I was completely obsessed with origin and death, so I was asking non-stop about them.

But yeah; some of the things here are rather extreme and (implied) misandrist...
Though to be honest, I do see benefits for the six-hour work day. I don't think it's a good idea to eradicate unemployment, however... Supply and demand, and all that. The job market will become too stable, and will no longer be able to adapt, innovate, change, fluctuate, or... Well; do anything that requires it to be fluid. Like 'function.'

However, if you don't want them to be in the EU, then don't vote for them. That is the only thing you can do in a democratic society. As long as they don't break any laws, that is.

You were a lot smarted than me when I was 5 o.o

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Well, OP, if what you say about this party is true, and they do get a seat, it won't be their fault, but the fault of the swedish voters who voted for them. Keep that in mind.

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Well, OP, if what you say about this party is true, and they do get a seat, it won't be their fault, but the fault of the swedish voters who voted for them. Keep that in mind.

I know that. I know some people who are going to vote for them, sadly enough.

[Kurioxan]

But the key is in whether or not the redefinition has any actual meaning. For instance, if someone goes "Look, this person calls herself a feminist and says men should be forced underground where they'll be kept like cattle and harvested for semen." You could say "No actual feminist is in favor of subjugating men because to be a feminist is to work for equality for women," and it would totally be OK.

I think that the idea behind it is that as any social groups/subcultures you can call yourself a Xist, and even if your views and ideas dont fully reflect the core ideology your actions will still represent, as you are associated with X, because to be X all you need to do is say that you are X.
It would help if there was a level of protectionist towards certain "brands" and not allowing people who deviate from the principles to use that name, especially in a political party.

[Chelly]

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You forgot that half of them want to ban all porn.

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Though to be honest, I do see benefits for the six-hour work day. I don't think it's a good idea to eradicate unemployment, however... Supply and demand, and all that. The job market will become too stable, and will no longer be able to adapt, innovate, change, fluctuate, or... Well; do anything that requires it to be fluid. Like 'function.'

I also think that it just isn't something that will be succesfully implemented for a small country like Sweden. For a country like Germany perhaps, with 70 million potential customers, but Sweden have about 10 million so companies not wanting to settle in Sweden isn't as big of a loss as it is to Sweden. Maybe if the Nordic countries decided to implement 6-hour working days then we'd have something that might work out, but I don't know.

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You forgot that half of them want to ban all porn.

Oh right, yeah. That's a funny one. Because it portrays mens violence against women or something.

[Deleted]

I agree that it should be taught to pre teens to a basic level.

But 5 years old are really god damn stupid and can just about handle very basic reading skills.

I was reading The Coral Island at 5, my mam hated me constantly asking the meaning of words (I was 5), so gave me a dictionary.

I then moved onto the Encyclopaedia! I was a terribly annoying child by 6 :P

[Spectral]

I don't know what to tell you if you think self-identification is automatically valid and correct.

I don't know what to tell you if you think that rejecting self-identification because it makes that identification look shitty isn't a No True Scotsman.

The reality is that this is where feminism's at now. The people that identify as feminist are a pretty extreme group.