Putin puts troops in western Russia on alert in drill 1.1

[Kellhound]

Speculations are irrelevant. That video proves nothing still.
I too can say that 6 su-24 could take that boat out in under 5 second. Before the captain could say "Battlesta..."

It proves the ship was steaming in a straight line at a leisurely pace.
It also shows Su-24s have really smokey engines that make them easy to see.
Unarmed, only if they rammed it. FYI, they call General Quarters, but they don't need to to defend themselves.

[Elim Garak]

It proves the ship was steaming in a straight line at a leisurely pace.

During an encounter with ONE of SIX su-24s. So it doesn't prove that the FIVE other encounters were the same.

[Deleted]

During an encounter with ONE of SIX su-24s. So it doesn't prove that the FIVE other encounters were the same.

Why would they lie?

[Kellhound]

During an encounter with ONE of SIX su-24s. So it doesn't prove that the FIVE other encounters were the same.

There would be no reason to act differently. She was almost half an hour away from entering Russian territory at flank speed, and she clearly wasn't even close to that and had not been for a few minutes at the least give her wake. Plus, the only more pathetic strike aircraft Russia could have sent would have been Su-25s. A real navy would have sent a warship to intercept her, something even the Chinese do.

[Elim Garak]

There would be no reason to act differently. She was almost half an hour away from entering Russian territory at flank speed, and she clearly wasn't even close to that and had not been for a few minutes at the least give her wake.

There is no proof of that

A real navy would have sent a warship to intercept her, something even the Chinese do.

Well exqueeze me for Russian air force not being a real navy. Reacting with navy is pointless due to OBVIOUS speed difference. Though even in that silly video there is Russian warship in sight. Duh...

[Ausr]

Why would they lie?

West = lies
Russia = truth

How dare you question him.

[Charge me Doctor]

West Politicians = lies
Russia First-hand unprocessed information = truth

fixed that for you

[Deleted]

fixed that for you

You spotted the aircrafts yourself?

[Charge me Doctor]

You spotted the aircrafts yourself?

Nope, that's why i neither believe in anything of this or comment on it. I just don't see any point in this. Everything that is posted on news outlets are heavily processed and somewhat tweaked to fit political agendas.
This event itself is just pointless, regardless of amount of aircraft or ship changing its course, it's just news outlets being news outlets. One says one thing - other says another thing, neither of them are truth and you pick whatever fits your personal agenda. One outlet can say that it was 25 miles away, second outlet may say that it was 20 miles away and violating space, no one actually can check this shit so arguing over this is pointless.
The same goes with video - they recorded only one plane - it's entirely possible that there was more of them previously/afterwards and they just decided to not include this footage. Or there could be really just one unarmed plane and, again, journalists made their job and blown everything out of proportions

[Deleted]

Your president lied all about crimea while your country was invading another country.
Are you fine with that?

All the russian press coverage was a sham while the through consensus formed pluralistic media body in the west covered it pretty accurately.

[Deleted]

Hahahahahahahahahahaha < That's the only appropriate response to what you just wrote.
How can you even dare to say that they covered it accurately?

Little green men.

Russian media spouted presidents lies which went against everything on the ground.
All they got right was staged permanent nodding in their press conferences.

Really they intentionally make the press actors do head nodding look at Putins staged TV performances.

[Charge me Doctor]

Your president lied all about crimea while your country was invading another country.
Are you fine with that?

All the russian press coverage was a sham while the through consensus formed pluralistic media body in the west covered it pretty accurately.

He didn't lied all about Crimea, and he is politician, politics = lie to your favor. And Crimea grab was a reaction on escalating event because it could easily escalate even further than that with illegal armed groups getting their hands on Crimean military bases. Without illegal coup there would be no Crimea grab and Russia would still pay for its place in Black Sea.
Yeah, i'm fine with politics.

All the press coverage is a sham.
Pluralistic? That's the most naive thing to say, whole media is run by money, whoever throws more money at media gets the best coverage.

[Deleted]

He didn't lied all about Crimea

Everything about russian military engagement was a blunt lie.

You invaded another nation and your head of state pretended you didnt.
Russian soldiers die while their family get dragged to TV making them claim they left the army before.

[Charge me Doctor]

Everything about russian military engagement was a blunt lie.

Why should I now trust this guy about eastern Ukraine?

Not everything, especially that this military wasn't here in the first place - these divisions always were located in Crimea, they wasn't moved from military bases in Vologda or something.

[Deleted]

Yes, but we covered it accurately
No lies, no propaganda.. It was really accurate and objective!

They got the base facts right.

While russian media ignored a russian invasion of a foreign nation ignoring all and every bit
of evidence on the ground.

[Deleted]

There would be no reason to act differently. She was almost half an hour away from entering Russian territory at flank speed, and she clearly wasn't even close to that and had not been for a few minutes at the least give her wake. Plus, the only more pathetic strike aircraft Russia could have sent would have been Su-25s. A real navy would have sent a warship to intercept her, something even the Chinese do.

What do you mean pathetic? It was an equal force being deployed against your pathetic ships.

Thats no conspiracy theory.

Of course it's a conspiracy theory - and very poor one. It's a drivel. Or can you somehow prove it?

[Ausr]

He didn't lied all about Crimea, and he is politician, politics = lie to your favor. And Crimea grab was a reaction on escalating event because it could easily escalate even further than that with illegal armed groups getting their hands on Crimean military bases. Without illegal coup there would be no Crimea grab and Russia would still pay for its place in Black Sea.
Yeah, i'm fine with politics.

All the press coverage is a sham.
Pluralistic? That's the most naive thing to say, whole media is run by money, whoever throws more money at media gets the best coverage.

I enjoy the fact that you think Russian military apparently couldn't handle a small mob of slightly angry citizens of Crimea.

[Deleted]

Meanwhile..
http://sputniknews.com/russia/20150602/1022843800.html

"During the first stage of our investigation, the type of system was established. It was a Buk-M1 system [NATO reporting name SA-11], a 9М38-М1 rocket and a 9М314 warhead," head engineer Mikhail Malyshev said.

"The shrapnel moved from the nose of the plane to its tale inside its fuselage. The left engine, left wing and partially the tail unit were damaged. Specialists concluded that the missile was moving with a considerable intersection of the plane's flight path. That is, not from the front but from the side," Malyshev said.

[Puupi]

http://www.afp.com/en/news/ex-pro-pu...aganda-factory
"Ex pro-Putin Internet troll seeks to expose Kremlin 'propaganda factory'"

[Deleted]

Well, I have to confess..
Our government paid me to spam pro-EU propaganda in Russia-threads under a false name.
It's really true!

Me too mate. I actually live in Transnistria and this is my only income, Westerners do it for free. It's pathetic.