Putin puts troops in western Russia on alert in drill 1.1

[Shalcker]

May be true or not true, but still so far it's the most reasonable guess why Russia needed to run 280 almost empty trucks into Ukraine under false pretext.

Umm, so you say your earlier claims of Donetsk not having electricity are false? No food or generators needed any more?

[Morry]

So, today is 75 years of Molotov-Ribbentrop pact... below is a cartoon from 1939.

Well... Britain and France were stalling alliance negotiations (not to mention Poland bitchiness about troops passage) so Germany was pretty much the only option. So yeah, Molotov did nothing wrong

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Some people are so naive. Kiev didn't want any humanitarian convoy not because it could deliver any weapons (which is bullshit), but because they need to stop shelling Lugansk now. That's their strategy, destroy cities and call it a liberation. Humanitarian convoy get destroyed and that part of Ukraine Kiev controls no longer exists. So it gives separatists even more time. Then they can go on counter offensive.

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http://inforesist.org/snimki-iz-kosm...kimi-kamazami/ bwahaha

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Honorary consuls are not diplomats.

Oh, my bad, then there's nothing wrong with killing one.

Some people are so naive. Kiev didn't want any humanitarian convoy not because it could deliver any weapons (which is bullshit), but because they need to stop shelling Lugansk now. That's their strategy, destroy cities and call it a liberation. Humanitarian convoy get destroyed and that part of Ukraine Kiev controls no longer exists. So it gives separatists even more time. Then they can go on counter offensive.

And here we go again...

[Olo]

Some people are so naive. Kiev didn't want any humanitarian convoy not because it could deliver any weapons (which is bullshit), but because they need to stop shelling Lugansk now. That's their strategy, destroy cities and call it a liberation. Humanitarian convoy get destroyed and that part of Ukraine Kiev controls no longer exists. So it gives separatists even more time. Then they can go on counter offensive.

I know right? You annex part of another country, fund a violent opposition and support a civil war then send a uninspected, unescorted convoy of tucks without permission and they just freak out on you.

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And here we go again...

So what's your problem, my Polish "brother"?

I know right? You annex part of another country, fund a violent opposition and support a civil war then send a uninspected, unescorted convoy of tucks without permission and they just freak out on you.

You perpetrate a coup, declare yourself a ruler of Ukraine, start a civil war, shell cities full of civilians and if Red Cross can't "escort" Russian convoy BECAUSE of that shelling, you whine about Russian invasion.

[Shalcker]

http://inforesist.org/snimki-iz-kosm...kimi-kamazami/ bwahaha

Yes, one of the funniest "proofs" by Ukrainians.

Clearly, any white truck is Russian now, driven by agents of Putin deep inside Ukraine!

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You perpetrate a coup, declare yourself a ruler of Ukraine, start a civil war, shell cities full of civilians and if Red Cross can't "escort" Russian convoy BECAUSE of that shelling, you whine about Russian invasion.

What? President was chosen by elections and so will be all parlament. And criminal who purposely robbed Ukraine for years still have to come in front of jury.
Now by Russians standards if criminal was overthrown by UKRAIN nationalist is illegal.

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What? President was chosen by elections and so will be all parlament. And criminal who purposely robbed Ukraine for years still have to come in front of jury.
Now by Russians standards if criminal was overthrown by UKRAIN nationalist is illegal.

Oh, I see you forgot that beating of politicians that didn't agree with it. And that elections were to be held on 29 March 2015.
Stealing.. oh, funny. Every Ukrainian politician is stealing, hell, they even stole our gas, because they couldn't pay their bills and Russians didn't want to send them more gas for nothing.

[Morry]

http://inforesist.org/snimki-iz-kosm...kimi-kamazami/ bwahaha

Mmmmm, smells like Tymchuk. Seriously, whats that with Ukrainians and grainy sat-images with the quality of Google satellites?

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I know right? You annex part of another country, fund a violent opposition and support a civil war then send a uninspected, unescorted convoy of tucks without permission and they just freak out on you.

You miss that 1 (or 2?) week when "another country" could inspect said convoy but choose bitching and frowing a tantrum instead.

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Oh, I see you forgot that beating of politicians that didn't agree with it. And that elections were to be held on 29 March 2015.
Stealing.. oh, funny. Every Ukrainian politician is stealing, hell, they even stole our gas, because they couldn't pay their bills and Russians didn't want to send them more gas for nothing.

Again, what? I think you understand it quite well that after what happened there is no chance that there will be voted another Russian puppet, thats what all fuss is about. It's normal part of democracy to overthrow current system if it does not work properly, especially if next steps are resolved by voting.

[Morry]

Again, what? I think you understand it quite well that after what happened there is no chance that there will be voted another Russian puppet, thats what all fuss is about. It's normal part of democracy to overthrow current system if it does not work properly, especially if next steps are resolved by voting.

Aaaand since when "normal part of democracy" consists of taking gotherment buildings by mob? As far as I know the only time (in the last century) president of our Democracy Model™ got his ass kicked (poor Dick, he only wanted to spy on his opponents) out it was nice and clear impeachment, not a freacking revolution. And more to the point: why storming gotherment offices in Kiev is democracy, and doing exactly the same in Donetsk - bloody treason?

In another news: rebels reported (and still continue to do so) today about pretty big (well relatively, in comparison to 2 latest months) advances on Kiev's forces, some reports even say about retaking cities near Severodonetsk and Lisichansk (was abandoned a month ago). Although I wouldn't rule out usual infobuzz/bullshit I certainly hope it is true.

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Again, what? I think you understand it quite well that after what happened there is no chance that there will be voted another Russian puppet, thats what all fuss is about. It's normal part of democracy to overthrow current system if it does not work properly, especially if next steps are resolved by voting.

Novorossiyans DID overthrow that incompetent and illegitimate government, in this case I can agree with you.
Well, in their region. If we're lucky, they will liberate Kiev too.

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Aaaand since when "normal part of democracy" consists of taking gotherment buildings by mob? As far as I know the only time (in the last century) president of our Democracy Model™ got his ass kicked (poor Dick, he only wanted to spy on his opponents) out it was nice and clear impeachment, not a freacking revolution. And more to the point: why storming gotherment offices in Kiev is democracy, and doing exactly the same in Donetsk - bloody treason?

If this is the only way - yes. It's better then lose freedom to russia.

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Also, don't bulls$%t about "illegitimate government" if Poroshenko was another Russian puppet there would be no problems, right? Then suddenly everything is alright. It only shows the true nature of this conflict. That Russia will not stop until it will regain control of Ukraine (or at least they will try to not stop).

[Morry]

If this is the only way - yes. It's better then lose freedom to russia.

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Also, don't bulls$%t about "illegitimate government" if Poroshenko was another Russian puppet there would be no problems, right? Then suddenly everything is alright. It only shows the true nature of this conflict. That Russia will not stop until it will regain control of Ukraine.

You still didn't answer "why storming gotherment offices in Kiev is democracy, and doing exactly the same in Donetsk - bloody treason?"

[Ulmita]

Putin's mistake is the following in my humble opinion:

When the first Russian fell dead on East Ukraine, he should had issued a full military retaliation on the aggressors. I mean the US do the same w/t even waiting for an American to die.

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If this is the only way - yes. It's better then lose freedom to russia.

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Also, don't bulls$%t about "illegitimate government" if Poroshenko was another Russian puppet there would be no problems, right? Then suddenly everything is alright. It only shows the true nature of this conflict. That Russia will not stop until it will regain control of Ukraine (or at least they will try to not stop).

No, I give zero fucks about Wonka Poroshenko being pro-Russian, pro-EU or pro-Atlantic Ocean.
Novorossiya != Russia.

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You still didn't answer "why storming gotherment offices in Kiev is democracy, and doing exactly the same in Donetsk - bloody treason?"

First of in maidan nationalist was very careful (mostly) about destruction, they even put cloth over statues ect, they didn't used others as meat shield, they practically was weaponless and most important part they were THE CORE of Ukraine population not some Russian immigrants.
Now Russian rebels are armed & dangerous, have non-civilian equipment, and most of them are pro-russians and russian by nationality. Use civilians as meat shield and have unreasonable requests - which practically are to give territory to Russia. And those rebels don't care about destruction.

Terrorists are people who not want to overthrow but want to divide something that is whole already. There is great difference between overthrowing current system and divide territory that wants to join in neighbour country.

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No, I give zero fucks about Wonka Poroshenko being pro-Russian, pro-EU or pro-Atlantic Ocean.
Novorossiya != Russia.

I had quite an experience with religous people, so i would just say - i don't believe you. I have seen how you talk you only pretend to be neutral to gain weight for your opinion.

[Morry]

First of in maidan nationalist was very careful (mostly) about destruction, they even put cloth over statues ect, they didn't used others as meat shield, they practically was weaponless and most important part they were THE CORE of Ukraine population not some Russian immigrants.
Now Russian rebels are armed & dangerous, have non-civilian equipment, and most of them are pro-russians and russian by nationality. Use civilians as meat shield and have unreasonable requests - which practically are to give territory to Russia. And those rebels don't care about destruction.

You are talknig about current events which are results of 4-5 months of the bloody civil war. In march-april protesters in the south regions were lightly armed (like the ones in maidan) had reasonable requests (federalization and language law) and had local support (antimaidan groups). The only difference is - when maidan stormed buildings they got into power, when protesters did it - they got Odessa and Mariupol's massacres. Not very fair, isn't it?

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Terrorists are people who not want to overthrow but want to divide something that is whole already. There is great difference between overthrowing current system and divide territory that wants to join in neighbour country.

Not really. Terrorists by definition are people who use terror (a.e. inflicting fear) to achieve their goals. Using army to fight for this goals is not terrorism (unless terror is the main method of fighting). And should I remind you that many (if not most) current countries were created by dividing other whole territories?