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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomatketchup View Post
    If we pretend that the revolution is sponsored by anyone, change that the demonstrators murdered Yanukovich and his ilk, and ignore that there were parliament elections to make sure that the Ukrainian people were allowed to decide whom should be in power. Then it's accurate.

    Oh is that what happened in the galaxy you're from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysJiub View Post
    Oh is that what happened in the galaxy you're from?
    Do you have no access to information where you are from?

    Yanukovich is not dead and they had parliament elections.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysJiub View Post
    Oh is that what happened in the galaxy you're from?
    Something like that, yeah.

    What's your point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffa1 View Post
    Do you have no access to information where you are from?

    Yanukovich is not dead and they had parliament elections.
    Information is fine here.
    Yanukovich is not dead! Well that's make what happened in Kyiv totally democratic then.
    You mean the parliament elections where part of the country didn't vote and militias were throwing politicians in garbage bins? Yeah those were a joke.

    You know, calling things for how they are doesn't make you less of a patriot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomatketchup View Post
    Something like that, yeah.

    What's your point?
    My point is I fail to comprehend what twists someone's mind so deep that in order to feel "part of a group", a citizen of a well developed country far away from all that mess feels the necessity of not condemning things that simply needs to be condemned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AlwaysJiub View Post
    You mean the parliament elections where part of the country didn't vote and militias were throwing politicians in garbage bins? Yeah those were a joke.
    You mean the parliament elections even russia recognized?

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    You mean the parliament elections even russia recognized?
    Yes those.

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    Ukraine leader lays out vision of new war-time constitution
    http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-leader...155100479.html
    Ukrainian President Petro Poroshenko on Wednesday proposed constitutional changes designed to give broader powers to the regions, but failed to address the demands of pro-Russian fighters in the separatist east.

    Poroshenko's new vision of the ex-Soviet state's basic law would trim presidential power over the provinces and extend to local towns and councils the right to oversee how their tax revenues are spent.

    But it also refuses to add to the constitution the semi-autonomous status demanded by insurgency leaders who control an industrial edge of Ukraine that is home to 3.5 million people and accounts for a tenth of its economic output.

    The westward-leading leader -- elected in the wake of the February 2014 ouster of Russian-backed president Viktor Yanukovych -- said the amendments would decentralise power but never turn Ukraine into a loose "federation" that Moscow has sought.

    "Decentralisation would bring our political system closer to that of Europe," Poroshenko said in a nationally televised address.
    Putin had an abysmal record in Russia's second-largest city - here's why he rose the ranks anyway
    http://www.businessinsider.in/Putin-...w/47896320.cms
    When the Soviet Union collapsed, St. Petersburg was nearly on a par with Moscow in terms of per capita measures of economic performance.

    Six years later, it was far behind in incomes, households, corporate sector, profits, and investment. St. Petersburg's per capita gross regional product (GRP) was only 60 percent of Moscow's, while its per capita income was only 35 percent of the capital city's.

    St. Petersburg outpaced Moscow primarily on negative indices. Its unemployment rate was 23 percent higher; the out migration rate was 86 percent higher; and suicides among working-age males were 70 percent higher.

    by the end of Putin's tenure, this was also a terrible failure. On a per capita basis,
    foreign trade was 26 percent of Moscow's, foreign investment was 55 percent, the number of small businesses set up with foreign participation was 38 percent, and the number of people employed by foreign-owned small businesses was 30 percent of the capital's.
    In short, judging by the abysmal economic record of St. Petersburg, Putin's credentials as an economic policymaker were not good. His credentials as a political manager, especially in light of the food scandal, were equally poor.

    On what basis did they appoint him if it was not on the balance of his record as deputy mayor in St. Petersburg? Why was Putin brought into Moscow in 1996?

    The people who brought Vladimir Putin from St. Petersburg to Moscow never cared about his credentials as a specialist in developing business. For them he was an expert in controlling business.
    Putin Allies Aided Russian Mafia in Spain, Prosecutors Say
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articl...rosecutors-say
    Some of Vladimir Putin’s closest allies, including the chairman of OAO Gazprom, a deputy premier and two former ministers, helped one of Russia’s largest criminal groups operate out of Spain for more than a decade, prosecutors in Madrid say.

    Members of St. Petersburg’s Tambov crime syndicate moved into Spain in 1996, when Putin was deputy mayor of the former czarist capital, to launder proceeds from their illicit activities, Juan Carrau and Jose Grinda wrote in a petition to the Central Court on May 29, a copy of which was obtained by Bloomberg News.

    The 488-page complaint, the product of a decade of investigations into the spread of Russian organized crime during the Putin era, portrays links between the criminal enterprise and top law-enforcement officials and policy makers in Moscow. The petition, based on thousands of wiretaps, bank transfers and property transactions, is a formal request to charge 27 people with money laundering, fraud and other crimes. Approval by a judge would clear the way for a trial, but Spain doesn’t try people in absentia.
    Russia targets Kremlin critic Khodorkovsky in murder probe
    http://news.yahoo.com/russia-targets...142753181.html
    Russian investigators announced on Tuesday that Kremlin critic Mikhail Khodorkovsky might have ordered the murder of a Siberian mayor, saying they would seek to question the self-exiled former tycoon.

    Investigators said they were reviving a criminal probe into the 1998 murder amid efforts by Khodorkovsky, chief of the former oil company Yukos, to challenge President Vladimir Putin's grip on power from his self-imposed exile in Switzerland.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomatketchup View Post
    If we pretend that the revolution is sponsored by anyone, change that the demonstrators murdered Yanukovich and his ilk, and ignore that there were parliament elections to make sure that the Ukrainian people were allowed to decide whom should be in power. Then it's accurate.
    We need not pretend it was sponsored, because Nuland openly confessed that. Demonstrators didn't manage to murder Yanukovich - only because he fled too fast. His ilk - the most vocal ones - was actually murdered over the last year, together with several opposition journalists like Oles Buzina. And elections... Donbass said "no". And they are still being shelled for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomgoesthedynamite View Post
    Putin had an abysmal record in Russia's second-largest city - here's why he rose the ranks anyway
    http://www.businessinsider.in/Putin-...w/47896320.cms
    That's nothing compared to melting of Arctic that happened during Putin's reign - and is also his fault.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Undead Puppy View Post
    They've also shown, repeatedly, the presence of russian soldiers and military equipment + vehicles in the region.
    Soldiers that allegedly went to fight of their own will (sort of like Americans going to fight in WW2 years before the US got involved) and military equipment + vehicles also owned by Ukraine so it's not like the rebels couldn't have captured them like they say (I'm not saying I actually believe the Russian/rebel story, only that it's just as plausible as the Kiev's story).

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    Quote Originally Posted by caervek View Post
    Soldiers that allegedly went to fight of their own will (sort of like Americans going to fight in WW2 years before the US got involved) and military equipment + vehicles also owned by Ukraine so it's not like the rebels couldn't have captured them like they say (I'm not saying I actually believe the Russian/rebel story, only that it's just as plausible as the Kiev's story).
    There were allot of sightings of designated Russian equipment even complete with numbers traceable to specific Russian units.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffa1 View Post
    There were allot of sightings of designated Russian equipment even complete with numbers traceable to specific Russian units.
    That couldn't possibly be fake! Right?
    All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raffa1 View Post
    There were allot of sightings of designated Russian equipment even complete with numbers traceable to specific Russian units.
    Do you have any links to articles on this? (not disputing, interested), and hopefully not that nonsense the BBC wrote about tanks that were never exported lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Cba to check if someone posted it already.
    Yes, it was posted. Nice example of professional western journalism, i.e. manipulation.

    For example. When showing photos of said Bato in Russia he sometimes show them in VK-page too. When showing the photo of some buryat standing at some ruins - he never shows it on alledged Bato's page - only on his own page. And by this photo you can never say that this is Bato. Some military-dressed buryat. That's it.

    The fact that there are buryats in Ukraine was never concealed - there are plenty videos from novorossian guys interviewing said buryats.

    The rest of the film is just a forging of background so you can easlity believe a this forgery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    Like a clockwork.
    more one-liners when you don't have any counter-arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomatketchup View Post
    With a few semantic changes you essentially described the situation in eastern Ukraine pretty accurately.

    The difference of course being that they didn't kill EVERYONE and they only speak for half of Ukraine.. but the principle is the same.
    Natalie Jaresko (finance minister), Aivaras Abromavicius (economy minister) and the new governor in Odessa our well known friend Mikheil Saakashvili.
    Let's try to find out, where the attached strings of these 3 are leading.

    Interesting, don't you think? These people in these key positions. Odessa is a hot-spot, more so after this:

    http://rt.com/news/156480-odessa-fire-protesters-dead/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duke of Lies View Post
    Natalie Jaresko (finance minister), Aivaras Abromavicius (economy minister) and the new governor in Odessa our well known friend Mikheil Saakashvili.
    Let's try to find out, where the attached strings of these 3 are leading.

    Interesting, don't you think? These people in these key positions. Odessa is a hot-spot, more so after this:

    http://rt.com/news/156480-odessa-fire-protesters-dead/
    Can you imagine the outcry in the US if, say, a disgraced former President of Mexico was appointed as City Manager of Charleston by a Republican governor? (The closest even vaguely possible equivalent I could come up with from the top of my head.)
    "In today’s America, conservatives who actually want to conserve are as rare as liberals who actually want to liberate. The once-significant language of an earlier era has had the meaning sucked right out of it, the better to serve as camouflage for a kleptocratic feeding frenzy in which both establishment parties participate with equal abandon" (Taking a break from the criminal, incompetent liars at the NSA, to bring you the above political observation, from The Archdruid Report.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by ringpriest View Post
    Can you imagine the outcry in the US if, say, a disgraced former President of Mexico was appointed as City Manager of Charleston by a Republican governor? (The closest even vaguely possible equivalent I could come up with from the top of my head.)
    That would imply the application of the same set of standarts to different situations. You ask for the impossible.

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    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/busine...ow/524853.html

    Russian economy continue to brake, and it must be very bad, because the article are from 1 Juli the freshest statistic are from Maj so June must be bad, because Russia is slow to report "bad" statistic and very fast to report good statistic like zero inflation compare to last week....

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    Quote Originally Posted by a77 View Post
    http://www.themoscowtimes.com/busine...ow/524853.html

    Russian economy continue to brake, and it must be very bad, because the article are from 1 Juli the freshest statistic are from Maj so June must be bad, because Russia is slow to report "bad" statistic and very fast to report good statistic like zero inflation compare to last week....
    Yeah, because refocusing one's economy is easy peasy and comes at no cost. WE ARE DOOMED.
    All right, gentleperchildren, let's review. The year is 2024 - that's two-zero-two-four, as in the 21st Century's perfect vision - and I am sorry to say the world has become a pussy-whipped, Brady Bunch version of itself, run by a bunch of still-masked clots ridden infertile senile sissies who want the Last Ukrainian to die so they can get on with the War on China, with some middle-eastern genocide on the side

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