Protection Warrior DPS Questions

[Cosmophile]

Hey, everyone! I was looking to get some advice/criticism on my DPS as a prot warrior (if there is anything to improve, which I'm almost sure there is). Have at it!

Armory: http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...ution/advanced

Logs

My first Heroic Malkorok Kill

Solo-Tanking 10-man Normal Thok

The first 7 Heroic SoO bosses

Thanks in advance!

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Edited to fix hyperlinks!

[Ranei]

Use bloodbath instead of storm bolt, it pulls ahead especially when you use pots and recklessness together with it (make a macro to macro berserker rage, blood bath and your engineering glove boost together) . Don't bother with cleave. Use thunderclap only if there at least 2 targets or you are reapplying the debuff. If you have 60 rage and shield slam and shield block are both up or shield block is about to come off cooldown, always try to get shield block in first for the big damage boost with the glyph, it makes a huge difference at high vengeance levels.

You logged out in dps gear, so I can't comment there.

[Khorm]

Just looked at your Malk kill.

You're not using Shield Slam enough. The fight went for 4:54 so you could of used 49 shield slams on the 6s cooldown and you also had 27 SnB procs increasing this number further, the number you did was only 33. The SnB proc was up on your for a total of 74 seconds out of 27 procs which shows you delay Shield Slam which you should be keeping on cooldown at all times. Your revenge usage was better so I wonder if you were prioritizing that for the add though I would still use SS > Rev because the add gets cleaved down quite quickly.

[Deleted]

Hey Polution

I will try to answer your question but keep in mind, its just an answer to make more dmg, not to play better as a tank.

Gear and Glyphs

If you want to max out dmg you should go full parry, becuase of the hold the line. And the dr on parry is not to bad.

I would also use Glyph of resonating power, it puts thunderclap over devistate in the single target rotation.

Rotation

Shieldslam > Revenge > Thunderclap > Devistate

Looking at your logs I can see that you make close to no use of glyph of heavy repercussions. Whenever you are in a situation you have the possibility to keep it up, do it over using shieldbarrier. And use that ShieldSlam on cd

Also you need to make good use of your cd, its often worth waiting with your cds to you have reached a good amount of vengance.
When that is diffrent from fight to fight you just need to watch your vengance and your cds. To get as many bloodbath dragonsroar in with max vengance.

[Cosmophile]

I have a tendency to hold SS if I see Shield Block about to come up.

Armory should be updated to show Prot gear now. Sorry!

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Manigon:

Thanks! Honestly, I've never had an issue at all with the actual "tanking" part of tanking. I'd just like to parse higher on damage without getting hit for too much harder.

[Khorm]

I looked again at your Malk killed. You only used Shield Block 11 times for a piddly 28% uptime.

On your character. Because you are already so far over hit cap disregard socket bonuses that require blue gems and just gem straight parry. You can also swap your Dancing Steel enchant for a River's Song which will give you more crit when you have Riposte up.

[Cosmophile]

Khrom: So you're suggesting I gem 100% parry, and ignore everything else? Also, I made the swap to River's Song.

[Tehpounderer]

Parry in Red
Parry/Stam in Blue
Parry/Dodge in Yellow

Why no legendary meta?

Use Heavy Repercussions/Hold The Line/Resonating Power glyphs.
With Resonating Power glyph, your Priority is SS > Revenge > TClap.

Reforge as below.

Main Hand - Dodge -> Exp
Head - Nothing
Neck - Hit -> Parry
Chest - Mastery -> Parry
Hands - Dodge -> Exp
Legs - Hit -> Exp
Feet - Hit -> Exp
Ring (Galakrond) - Dodge -> Exp

I ran a comparebot between your Fallen Protectors kill and our latest (where, honestly, I was on auto-pilot). Here are the highlights.
http://raidbots.com/comparebot/537a2...4000014#damage

I did 372k, you did 238k.

I use Shield Slam 33% more.
I have 234% more Revenge hits (because I stack Rook on top of Sun and my Revenge hits them both).
I have 260% more TClap hits (because I use Resonating Power and literally ALWAYS have more than 1 target to hit).

You use Devastate 176% more than I do.

I'm not a top 10 DPS kind of tank (more like top 400 according to ProRaiders), and there are definitely things I could do to squeeze out more on that fight (for example, judicious use of Glyph of Rude Interruption) but you have to understand the Damage per Execute Time of each of your abilities, and get the basic rotation right first.

Good luck!

Edit: math is hard.

[Odina]

The one thing you got to do to do better dps is not only use all the tools you have at your disposal but ensure you have the optimal jobs for each fight as well. Like on H.protectors you should grab rook and tank him on top of sun that way you can glyph for rude interruption. As well you should be the one that gets mysery as you can spell reflect and mass spell reflect her defiled ground spell.

This is our last protectors kill
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/a.../?s=653&e=1101

I really was not that focused and I missed quite a few interrupts so rude interruption uptime is crappy but it's a great boost. Another thing I don't see is shattering throw being used... toss that in on the pull!

The main thing that you could do to instantly see big gains though is keep up S.block with glyph of H.R! you are missing out on a huge chunk of dmg as previously stated and keeping that up would be a huge boost!

[Deleted]

Parry in Red
Parry/Stam in Blue
Parry/Dodge in Yellow

Come on man
Parry in Red
Parry in Blue (Why the fuck would you like more stam)
Parry in Yellow (Parry has close to no dr, and dodge does not proc hold the line...)


http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/...pe=damage-done

Heres one of my better Protectors kill

You all did around 400k I did 540k not sure were you are going.

My uptime on sheildblock was realy bad compared to yours, and I still did more dps!

If you do the tactic were you stack all 3 you should ofc go with the 3 glyps I sugested if you only have two of them stacked, im pretty sure its the same.

As well you should be the one that gets mysery as you can spell reflect and mass spell reflect her defiled ground spell.

Thx for the advice did not know that ^^

For the Dancing Steel vs River's Song I think that eddy did the calculation somewere, and its worth it when your over 20k vengance aka all the time.

[Odina]

If you do the tactic were you stack all 3 you should ofc go with the 3 glyps I sugested if you only have two of them stacked, im pretty sure its the same.


Thx for the advice did not know that ^^

For the Dancing Steel vs River's Song I think that eddy did the calculation somewere, and its worth it when your over 20k vengance aka all the time.

That also illustrates a big point to how much potential dps you can do. We only stack rook and sun and He is kept outside for the most part. Thus no matter how well you (or I in this case) perform you won't be able to really compare with others that use a different strat. Best bet is to find others that use a similar strat and try and beat them!

As for socket bonuses and "why do you want more stam" question...
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...89ddy/advanced
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Gliff/advanced
I think those 2 links clear that up.



Just a note however... picking your best parses and then comparing them to others is never a good thing when validating things like gearing options.

Here is an example

Norushen kill
Manigon 87k
http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/...pe=damage-done
Odina kill 386k
http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/...pe=damage-done

Sha of pride best kills
manigo 273k
http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/...pe=damage-done
Odina 317
http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/...pe=damage-done

I believe your statement was "not sure where you are going" .

Nothing against you just showing how skewed things can be when put into that kind of context. The best bet for gems etc is to simC your toon get your stat priority then manually input that into your favorite reforging / gemming etc program and use that for best optimization.

[Deleted]

As for socket bonuses and "why do you want more stam" question...
http://eu.battle.net/wow/en/characte...89ddy/advanced
http://us.battle.net/wow/en/characte...Gliff/advanced
I think those 2 links clear that up.

To compare anything you do with eddy is just bullshit he plays a diffrent way than both you and me.
On the side of Gliff I agree that he gems right, I just don't agree that its the gemming that makes more dps. The only fights I get vengance capped on is Malkrok, thok, spoils and garrosh transsion. So I stam does not give me more dmg.

Just a note however... picking your best parses and then comparing them to others is never a good thing when validating things like gearing options.

Here is an example

Norushen kill
Manigon 87k
http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/...pe=damage-done
Odina kill 386k
http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/...pe=damage-done

Sha of pride best kills
manigo 273k
http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/...pe=damage-done
Odina 317
http://www.warcraftlogs.com/reports/...pe=damage-done

I believe your statement was "not sure where you are going" .

Nothing against you just showing how skewed things can be when put into that kind of context. The best bet for gems etc is to simC your toon get your stat priority then manually input that into your favorite reforging / gemming etc program and use that for best optimization.

That was kinda my point. But thx for showing it.

Again I want to point out this was not how to gem as a warrior thread it was a how to do most dmg as a warrior.