Stampede & Nazgrim

[Papasmokes]

Is it a DPS gain to wait until Beserker phase to Stampede for 25% increased damage? Since I've got AoC my 2nd Stampede actually lines up perfectly with the 2nd Beserker phase, but I'm unsure if the loss of that burst at the opener is worth the "25% extra" damage I'd be getting.

Anyone tested this?

[Glurp]

As long as you don't miss out on a use of Stampede then waiting until Berserker stance to use it is what you should be doing.

[Avlivar]

You should save it for each Berserking phase, yis.

[Papasmokes]

Now would it be wise to use it half way through Beserker phase so that my Beserking (racial) is up again (after using it on the opener).

[Nnug]

I can't remember, does your 2nd AoC line up with Berserk phase? If it doesn't, it's definitely not worth delaying.

[Azortharion]

Opener stampede with TED, Dextrous, Stormlashes, Skull Banners and Shattering Throws shits over 25% dmg berserker phase. Even if your guild doesn't use Lust till berserker (which they should, most classes benefit more from opener trinkets/cooldowns/procs than 25% damage later on). And if you kill it at normal speed you'll just lose one. Would have to be 5:10 kill or longer.

EDIT: formatting cuz i suck at phone

[Papasmokes]

Opener stampede with TED and Dexterous and Banners and Lust and Shattering Throws destroys berserker phase
. Even if your guild doesn't use Lust before berserker which they shouldn't. And if you kill it at normal speed you'll just lose one. Would have to be 5:10 kill or longer.

That pretty much answers my question. Thanks again Az

[Deleted]

Opener stampede with TED, Dextrous, Stormlashes, Skull Banners and Shattering Throws shits over 25% dmg berserker phase. Even if your guild doesn't use Lust till berserker (which they should, most classes benefit more from opener trinkets/cooldowns/procs than 25% damage later on). And if you kill it at normal speed you'll just lose one. Would have to be 5:10 kill or longer.

EDIT: formatting cuz i suck at phone

Guess we need to keep the dream alive

[Azortharion]

Well it's standard procedure for DPS warriors to pre-cast Shattering Throw anyway. Recruit some!

[Deleted]

Well it's standard procedure for DPS warriors to pre-cast Shattering Throw anyway. Recruit some!

I seem to have convinced our tank, but to our fury warrior precasting is an alien term.

[Deleted]

If your guild stops attacking on defensive stance like they are supposed to then you should use on defensive stance because you're pets auto attacks do not generate rage and your pets are the only way you're going to be able to dps him.

[Azortharion]

If your guild stops attacking on defensive stance like they are supposed to then you should use on defensive stance because you're pets auto attacks do not generate rage and your pets are the only way you're going to be able to dps him.

That makes no sense.. Like, what is the logic here?

1) Stampede does not even line up with Defensive Stance unless you deliberately delay it to do so.
2) You will not be doing more damage this way, it's just a huge DPS decrease? >_>

[Nnug]

Is this a troll?

[Deleted]

I can't remember, does your 2nd AoC line up with Berserk phase? If it doesn't, it's definitely not worth delaying.

Yup it does. Use Stampede on pull then 2nd with AoC proc during Berzerk. Not sure if you can do it with normal AoC though.

[Azortharion]

Yup it does. Use Stampede on pull then 2nd with AoC proc during Berzerk. Not sure if you can do it with normal AoC though.

Pretty sure it will.

[Deleted]

That makes no sense.. Like, what is the logic here?

1) Stampede does not even line up with Defensive Stance unless you deliberately delay it to do so.
2) You will not be doing more damage this way, it's just a huge DPS decrease? >_>

When you stop DPS in defensive stance your dps goes down because only your pet will be dpsing. If you stampede it won't go down as much because you have 5 pets dpsing. So your dps will be much better than sitting on your thumb, doing nothing during defensive stance. Pretty simple logic.

[Nnug]

Except that that logic makes no sense. You get 2 stampedes per fight. You want to get the maximum damage out of each one. Why would you use it when the boss takes less damage?

Your DPS at the end of the fight is based on your total damage, how would doing LESS damage with stampede mean you have more total damage?

[Deleted]

Except that that logic makes no sense. You get 2 stampedes per fight. You want to get the maximum damage out of each one. Why would you use it when the boss takes less damage?

It's not about the boss taking less damage. 10% isn't really a big deal. It's about you doing low damage. You do low damage, your dps goes down because you're not doing anything. You stampede to increase that low damage so your dps won't go down as much.

Stampede compensates for you doing nothing that part of the fight.

[Azortharion]

When you stop DPS in defensive stance your dps goes down because only your pet will be dpsing. If you stampede it won't go down as much because you have 5 pets dpsing. So your dps will be much better than sitting on your thumb, doing nothing during defensive stance. Pretty simple logic.

That makes no sense either. NO sense. Do you even know how DPS works? It works off of your -damage done-. By reducing damage done, you reduce your DPS. Basic stuff.

Why does your DPS during defensive stance matter when you're totally destroying your own DPS in battle/berserker?

[Nnug]

Has to be a troll. Don't bother -.-