Why doesn't communism like this exist?

[Deleted]

Same concept as the old communism but without the government, the people themselves act as one and vote on issues (I know this would mean a billion of polls but hello, we have internet.) Same relatively high wages and the surplus of money goes to researchers to get us out of the stone age already.

idk looks good to me but then again that's what people in the old one thought as well... what do you people think

[Deleted]

Well, a nation without a government is called an anarchy.

[MerinPally]

Because it doesn't work? The idea of communism is eventually to dissolve the government anyway as far as I was aware. Honestly most people can't decide how to split the bill at a restaurant, good luck sorting out foreign policy or the hospitals. You just get millions of people all thinking they're correct and blocking each other from doing anything, then nothing gets done. Someone needs to have power.

[Venziir]

Same concept as the old communism but without the government, the people themselves act as one and vote on issues (I know this would mean a billion of polls but hello, we have internet.) Same relatively high wages and the surplus of money goes to researchers to get us out of the stone age already.

idk looks good to me but then again that's what people in the old one thought as well... what do you people think

People need a government/ruler. It's that simple.

[Deleted]

Well, a nation without a government is called an anarchy.

Belgium survived with over a year of no government and I myself live in Slovenia where the government might as well not exist (we change them as often as underwear), bunch of corrupted idiots. Ex prime minister took bribes left and right and nothing is happening about it, he even managed to escape the trial for a couple of months because apparently the generator in his car broke while he was driving to the court (wtf)...

Also you're only arguing one point, more nitpicking than anything.

[Hyve]

It did, and it failed, because that is what Socialism / Communism does; Fail.

[Deleted]

It did, and it failed, because that is what Socialism / Communism does; Fail.

Great logic there. Guess you don't want the NHS.

[Bansheeguard]

A system like this would not work because the average person does not have enough political knowledge to make a meaningful choice. It would be to chaotic to achieve anything.

[MerinPally]

Belgium survived with over a year of no government and I myself live in Slovenia where the government might as well not exist (we change them as often as underwear), bunch of corrupted idiots. Ex prime minister took bribes left and right and nothing is happening about it, he even managed to escape the trial for a couple of months because apparently the generator in his car broke while he was driving to the court (wtf)...

Also you're only arguing one point, more nitpicking than anything.

Yeah Slovenia the world economic powerhouse. Pretty sure Belgium still had a parliament of sorts? So that's the say, people in power who decide things but they can't alter other stuff so things remain as before. So to get your idea someone would have to decide things and put them in place then go away, at which point people argue that it should be different.

[mvaliz]

Same concept as the old communism but without the government, the people themselves act as one and vote on issues (I know this would mean a billion of polls but hello, we have internet.) Same relatively high wages and the surplus of money goes to researchers to get us out of the stone age already.

idk looks good to me but then again that's what people in the old one thought as well... what do you people think

If there's no government, how/who determines the ammounts/percentages of money that goes to researchers? Because if there's no government, nobody would "give up" a damn thing and would just be fighting one another for any scrap they can find (since there's no government to enforce law).

[Deleted]

I don't see how government deciding one thing or another is any different than the people voting and deciding for themselves. Call me unexperienced in politics but even if the government has the power to have the final word some people still won't be satisfied with the outcome.

[mvaliz]

cuz human beings suck. this is why all utopian ideals fail

I'd hardly call what he's proposing utopian.

[Cybran]

Communism only works in small groups of hippies in farming communes that barely produce enough for drugs and survival. If your existential needs are more than food and weed communism isn't for you.

[mvaliz]

It did, and it failed, because that is what Socialism / Communism does; Fail.

You didn't even bother reading what the OP said, did you? What he's describing isn't anything even close to communism/socialism.

[Deleted]

I don't see how government deciding one thing or another is any different than the people voting and deciding for themselves. Call me unexperienced in politics but even if the government has the power to have the final word some people still won't be satisfied with the outcome.

Having the entire population decide on every issue is a logistical nightmare, it's why there isn't a true democracy in Europe and America at least, not to mention people are stupid.

[mvaliz]

Communism only works in small groups of hippies in farming communes that barely produce enough for drugs and survival. If your existential needs are more than food and weed communism isn't for you.

Again, read the OP - whatever he's talking about isn't communism.

[Dezerte]

Same concept as the old communism but without the government, the people themselves act as one and vote on issues (I know this would mean a billion of polls but hello, we have internet.) Same relatively high wages and the surplus of money goes to researchers to get us out of the stone age already.

idk looks good to me but then again that's what people in the old one thought as well... what do you people think

That's the problem with communism. If there is no authority then there can be no enforcement and someone will eventually revolt and demand more.

[Deleted]

A system like this would not work because the average person does not have enough political knowledge to make a meaningful choice. It would be to chaotic to achieve anything.

How could I forget about the ignorance... I'm grasping at straws by now but why not have politics in school, educate people or something (but nah better to teach kids how to pass exams.) Or have a small council or something that's elected fairly often. But yeah like beardedcandy says

cuz human beings suck. this is why all utopian ideals fail

Sad

[Niroshi]

Lack of government isn't really possible. Eventually somebody will take control, some group will gain power and then you're a step away from full on government of some type.

That could take the form of guys elected to speak for you, or guys who become mediators between groups, anybody needed to enforce laws or the guys with the most guns.

[Deleted]

How could I forget about the ignorance... I'm grasping at straws by now but why not have politics in school, educate people or something (but nah better to teach kids how to pass exams.) Or have a small council or something that's elected fairly often. But yeah like beardedcandy says



Sad

Education works for most people but look at society and education and a whole, the people who have a grasp of education normally (there are indeed exceptions on either side) go to University/College and the rest continue whilst still being ignorant of the bigger picture and why.

A small council defeats the purpose of the OPs idea, it does fix it but it defeats the purpose.