An Australian on American gun laws

[xylophone]

There are quite a few instances where having a gun is quite acceptable. Living out in the country to shoot attacking wildlife for one. Subsistence hunting for another. An outright ban makes no sense in those regards, especially if it takes 10-15 min for police to arrive like it does in some very rural areas.

Do NOT mistake this position to be on the same level as NRA or many of the gun rights peple on here. I am a FIRM believer in implementing and enforcing proper regulations, but outrght bans are something Im against.

Oh man, I WISH I could get a 15 minute response time...

[Coraulten]

America should just straight up enforce a BAN on guns unless you're some sort of authority figure in the community. You don't need a gun, you never have. It's like the US is living in the old 'gun' days while trying to enforce newer things on their society.

If safety is really an issue, then the government needs to do more to ensure safety. However, let's face it - there would be a lot less gun incidents if they did ban & take away guns from the citizens that don't require one. This obviously results in more safety for the country.

Yeah fuck all those collectors, hunters, manufacturers, and sellers.

[PizzaSHARK]

America should just straight up enforce a BAN on guns

You go right on ahead and try and put that toothpaste back in the tube. I'll wait.

There are quite a few instances where having a gun is quite acceptable. Living out in the country to shoot attacking wildlife for one. Subsistence hunting for another. An outright ban makes no sense in those regards, especially if it takes 10-15 min for police to arrive like it does in some very rural areas.

Shit, it takes 30 minutes in a damned city :-/

[Coraulten]

Mate just leave these Americans and their precious guns to get on with it. They will never change, they seem to enjoy having hundreds of children massacred every year because a hormonal 15 year old can get his hands on assault rifles.

So your linking the support of guns to the endorsement of massacring children?

[Klingers]

Yet we'd still be getting guns coming in illegally to the people who don't give a flying
rodent what the law says...

Yeah, but you'd still be putting another hurdle between assault weapons and the predominately middle class people committing these massacres.

[Sunseeker]

Shit, it takes 30 minutes in a damned city :-/

I lived literally two miles from the station. But our part of town was low-income and high-crime. You'd think there'd be cops all over the place, especially since my neighbor was a known crack dealer and the DMV was across the street, but noooo, when our car was vandalized and our home nearly broken into, it took them almost TWO HOURS to get there. Shit, it doesn't even take two hours to drive from the most southern point in town to the most northern!

[Klingers]

So your linking the support of guns to the endorsement of massacring children?

Supporting guns doesn't mean you personally endorse massacring children, However supporting guns does mean you support the current status-quo of gun ownership in America that lends itself to situations where nutcases can easily massacre children.

[obdigore]

I lived literally two miles from the station. But our part of town was low-income and high-crime. You'd think there'd be cops all over the place, especially since my neighbor was a known crack dealer and the DMV was across the street, but noooo, when our car was vandalized and our home nearly broken into, it took them almost TWO HOURS to get there. Shit, it doesn't even take two hours to drive from the most southern point in town to the most northern!

If the crime isn't in the process of happening, it takes police much longer to respond to.

[Crissi]

Yeah, but you'd still be putting another hurdle between assault weapons and the predominately middle class people committing these massacres.

While ignoring the perfectly reasonable use of guns in a country that is huge in landmass and thus has a lot of rural population where a gun is handy. Stabbing a bear to death isnt exactly practical.

Although I would endorse making penalties stiffer for those who dont fully secure their guns and they get stolen, as well as 30+ years for strawman purchasers.

[PizzaSHARK]

While ignoring the perfectly reasonable use of guns in a country that is huge in landmass and thus has a lot of rural population where a gun is handy. Stabbing a bear to death isnt exactly practical.

You could just give it diabetes.

[Zoaric]

Yeah, but you'd still be putting another hurdle between assault weapons and the predominately middle class people committing these massacres.

I'm fine with regulations that are a bit more strict, but an outright ban would never
work. And again, if a nut really wants a gun to do something illegal, they can get
the illegal gun illegally. It's not even hard.

[Coraulten]

Supporting guns doesn't mean you personally endorse massacring children, However supporting guns does mean you support the current status-quo of gun ownership in America that lends itself to situations where nutcases can easily massacre children.

No it does not.

[Crissi]

You could just give it diabetes.

I dont have enough chocolate in my veins to do so!

[Sunseeker]

If the crime isn't in the process of happening, it takes police much longer to respond to.

By comparison, it took them about the same amount of time to find our stolen car a week before. By that point, among other issues, we were well aware they didn't give a fuck about our part of town. Which is why we moved.

[PizzaSHARK]

I dont have enough chocolate in my veins to do so!

Well, quit slacking off then!

[obdigore]

While ignoring the perfectly reasonable use of guns in a country that is huge in landmass and thus has a lot of rural population where a gun is handy. Stabbing a bear to death isnt exactly practical.

Although I would endorse making penalties stiffer for those who dont fully secure their guns and they get stolen, as well as 30+ years for strawman purchasers.

Are you implying that Australians don't have to deal with dangerous wildlife?

[Crissi]

Well, quit slacking off then!

The only way to get that much chocolate in me is to get with a black dude.

Or a chocolate IV drip.

[Klingers]

While ignoring the perfectly reasonable use of guns in a country that is huge in landmass and thus has a lot of rural population where a gun is handy. Stabbing a bear to death isnt exactly practical.

Although I would endorse making penalties stiffer for those who dont fully secure their guns, as well as 30+ years for strawman purchasers.

There's nothing wrong with farmers being able to obtain licensed firearms suitable for the needs of running a rural property. There is a mid-point between nothing and the current open-slather.

I definitely do agree with owners needing to secure their guns properly or face penalties. Nice point there. Guns are a responsibility.

[Crissi]

Are you implying that Australians don't have to deal with dangerous wildlife?

Well its easier to avoid their larger dangerous wildlife such as crocs. The tiny ones are what'll get ya which a gun wont help with anyways

[Klingers]

No it does not.

Supporting guns generally implies supporting gun culture, doesn't it?