So How Brilliant Is Garrosh?

[GennGreymane]

They guy not only brought the Orcs from mud huts to a total war machine, but he did it twice! He did this in the span of a few years..... Garrosh is pretty damned smart I have to give him credit where credit is do. He even got the Iron Horde, Orcs that never had technology at this level before, to be able to use trains, planes, bombs, and all other matters of "advanced" weaponry in an incredibly short time span. This means he is also capable of using said technology since he had to train Orcs that had their most advanced weapon prior to Garrosh be an AXE.

Lets just discuss this.

[Kaleredar]

I was thinking kind of the same thing.

Look at what the burning legion, a force of millions and millions of demons with scheming overlords the likes of which our mortal minds can barely comprehend... and look what they did with the horde. A savage pack of mud-grubbing, disorganized soldiers with technology that amounted to little more than swords and infrastructure that was little more that sticks and stones cobbled together.

Then look at Garrosh. A LONE orc who had to secure resources from both the alliance and a deathwing-ravaged world, had constant infighting beneath him, forces within his faction attempting to dissolve his rule, and he created one of the tightest-run war machines in recent azeroth history, and was geared towards further expansion before we put him down. (Siegecrafter blackefuse's conveyor belt parts were going to make more iron juggernauts)

And then look what he's done on Draenor in what... a few months? He's turned the orc tribes, who have to contest with the Arrakoa, Draenei, and dissenting orc tribes into yet ANOTHER coherent war machine. Meanwhile, the Burning Legion, the giant demon swarm with vastly superior fel technology who practically had their run of draenor for DECADES did little more than build up some particularly tall mud fortresses.

So, for as much of a dick as Garrosh was... he DID get shit done.

[Goundin]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Garrosh going back 30 years? That doesn't seem like a short period of time to me as to training the Iron Horde, but yes, he is somewhat brilliant, though I miss the old Garrosh, he was more fun to bash. (I'm a horde player)

[Deleted]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't Garrosh going back 30 years? That doesn't seem like a short period of time to me as to training the Iron Horde, but yes, he is somewhat brilliant, though I miss the old Garrosh, he was more fun to bash. (I'm a horde player)

He goes back 30 years in time, doesn't mean he spends 30 years there.

[Arrashi]

Garrosh was so insane that in his good days he can play rest of azeroth like a damn fiddle.
Then, he spends his bad days inventing potato-flavoured ice cream.

[Deleted]

Since Garrosh is so obviously based on Hitler (daddy issues, xenophobic, ruthless, genocidal, speeds up technical/military development, etc) it just makes sense.
The question is if he will commit suicide in WoD.
And is SoO = the Wolfenstein 3D of WoW?

[Deleted]

Since Garrosh is so obviously based on Hitler (daddy issues, xenophobic, ruthless, genocidal, speeds up technical/military development, etc) it just makes sense.
The question is if he will commit suicide in WoD.
And is SoO = the Wolfenstein 3D of WoW?

It's also interesting that the mode of thinking which garnered so much popular support to NSDAP in 1920/30s Germany shows very clearly in the most appreciative posts. I guess some cogs in our brains are fixed and a silly detail like 60M people dead are not going to dislodge it, even if it's only legal to express appreciation to a digital fictional character who just happens to be a Adolf's expy and makes live players perform virtual actions for or against him.

[ThunderTaco]

I'm more impressed by Thrall's work for the Horde. From a Slave to Warchief.

Garrosh arrived when Thrall did most of the hard work. He went crazy "ORC POWER, WE SHOULD RULE THE WORLD" and got stopped in a few years. Thrall > Grom.

[Voldur]

Its not that he is very smart. He is a capable orc, and on top of that happens to be f*cking strong in a culture that values strength above anything else. Had a strong following with his hate and warmonger speech among all the "old" horde veterans that couldnt accept the change and wanted the horde to be as vicious and cruel as it was at some point. Thats why he got away with all he did for a loong time.

[Count Zero]

Brilliant military mind. Poor political mind.

[mvaliz]

They guy not only brought the Orcs from mud huts to a total war machine, but he did it twice! He did this in the span of a few years..... Garrosh is pretty damned smart I have to give him credit where credit is do. He even got the Iron Horde, Orcs that never had technology at this level before, to be able to use trains, planes, bombs, and all other matters of "advanced" weaponry in an incredibly short time span. This means he is also capable of using said technology since he had to train Orcs that had their most advanced weapon prior to Garrosh be an AXE.

Lets just discuss this.

He didn't do any of that... the Gods of horrific lore writing handed him all that as it was their wish - and Garrosh is just publicly claiming them as his own.

[Mormolyce]

I'm pretty sure he just paid goblins to build all that shit.

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Brilliant military mind. Poor political mind.

I don't know why people believe this, the only time he ever actually led troops ingame was in the intro to Twilight Highlands and he sent away his air support to attack an Alliance fleet that wasn't the objective for no reason, despite being warned that the Black Flight was at large in the area. Moments later his entire fleet of zeppelins is tossed out of the sky by dragons. He really couldn't have been more incompetent.

Or you could look at Borean Tundra where Saurfang had to work around him and clean up his messes because he made stupid tactical decisions.

And like, how he alienated not only the Alliance but his own faction as well and got his ass handed to him by EVERYONE. He basically tried to fight a war on ten fronts. Moron.

Roidheaded idiots make BAD commanders.

[Therougetitan]

Garrosh is dumb, he has as much time as he wants to build up his army as he needs before linking the timelines with the portal but attacks early. Many places on Draenor still need conquering like the Frostwolves and Karabor but he decides to rush us decide time literally being in his favor.

He goes back 30 years in time, doesn't mean he spends 30 years there.

More like 2 years.

[frozenkex]

For the last few years i havent seen any brilliant character come out of Warcraft or Diablo universes.

[twiddler]

For the last few years i havent seen any brilliant character come out of Warcraft or Diablo universes.

Yep. They tend to be rather confused and contradictory characters. Reading the latest book, I couldn't help but feel more strongly about this opinion. War Crimes was perhaps the worst take of Mark Grisham I've ever read.

[Deleted]

Garrosh isn't brilliant, Garrosh is going back in time. He know who all the major players are, their tactics, how they were beaten the first time around, what will inspire them yadda yadda

He's this guy -

[Alcsaar]

People actually care this much about this sort of thing?

Wow. I can't imagine...

[Kantoro]

Bah baaaah baaaah.

In any other scenario but a scripted one, Garrosh dies at the beginning of Cata. Please don't attribute smarts to a scripted character in a scripted environment.

[Highlord Hanibuhl]

Like Hitler, he used the anger and grudge people had and used it to fuel his machine. He himself is not capable of creatign Iron Juggernauts, but enstill enough fear in a goblin, and he will work for you.
Like Al Capone, you can build a large empire and dont have to do a lot of stuff yourself.

He just has the commitment and because of brainless narcisism, he thinks he's invincible. That also helps...

[Revi]

He didn't do any of that... the Gods of horrific lore writing handed him all that as it was their wish - and Garrosh is just publicly claiming them as his own.

Indeed. He's not brilliant, just poorly written.