Come on, its time Blizzard added gambling

[Grogo]

How is there any down side to it? Actually, there is also Legitimate Gambling in SWTOR's Game Update 2.8 (just implemented)

1. It's a fun gold sink ( and man do we need a fun gold sink)

2. You kill things in Wow all the time, oh noes but we cannot have gambling!

3. You can hear every vile thing known to man in trade chat, but I guess gambling is too fucking crazy!

4. It would really add another dimension to the game especially during down times (between raids or whatever)

5. I do believe there would be a general and wide interest in it

Once the Debbie-downers have their say here, I think weed that out and really consider how fun this could be.

[Mteq]

there already is. monkey chests on the timeless isle.

[Grogo]

there already is. monkey chests on the timeless isle.

Fuck that shit, I mean real gambling, with casino's...and blackjack and hookers.

[tratra]

Imagine playing an online MMO-RPG and complaining on why gambling is not yet implemented in it... I get how you need gambling in real life to make fake assumptions of increasing your income but arguing on a forum on why it would be "Fun" implementing gambling into WOW...

I see why many people will find it interesting, but I think blizzard should start thinking of doing something that makes players not get bored by its content to the level that they request online gambling to have something to play with...

[chazus]

Blizzard legally cannot implement a gambling feature. That's.. pretty much the long and short of it.

EDIT: I guess I should elaborate. In most MMO's, there is actually a legal distinction between "Items" and "Currency". There are clauses usually indicating which is which. That said, currency, even virtual, usually cannot be used as a gambling medium in many countries (The US in particular).

Online gambling is allowed because there is no cost involved, so the virtual currency has no value. In WoW, the game is paid for, so that covered currency as having an actual balue.

[Dyra]

Dr. Horrible beat me to it, but exactly what he said.

Plus you'd inevitably get gold sellers trying to get kids to use their parent's credit cards to get more gold to gamble more.

I think the closest you're ever going to get to gambling is the BMAH. And the closest you'll get to underground seedy places is the Brawling Arenas. :3

[Deletedaccount1]

Blizzard legally cannot implement a gambling feature. That's.. pretty much the long and short of it.

EDIT: I guess I should elaborate. In most MMO's, there is actually a legal distinction between "Items" and "Currency". There are clauses usually indicating which is which. That said, currency, even virtual, usually cannot be used as a gambling medium in many countries (The US in particular).

Online gambling is allowed because there is no cost involved, so the virtual currency has no value. In WoW, the game is paid for, so that covered currency as having an actual balue.

I guess being from Las Vegas gives you some insight into gambling.

[tratra]

Blizzard legally cannot implement a gambling feature. That's.. pretty much the long and short of it.

EDIT: I guess I should elaborate. In most MMO's, there is actually a legal distinction between "Items" and "Currency". There are clauses usually indicating which is which. That said, currency, even virtual, usually cannot be used as a gambling medium in many countries (The US in particular).

Online gambling is allowed because there is no cost involved, so the virtual currency has no value. In WoW, the game is paid for, so that covered currency as having an actual balue.

Chazus what you talking about? Legally they can, but not with real money, not in the US at least.

I don't see any laws against gambling digital currency that reflects to nothing in an online fantasy game...
Are you a lawyer and you writing that stuff or just assuming things? I bet you aren't one or else you wouldn't be a mod for mmo-champion. As an official representative of this forums you shouldn't post answers without facts.

[Calzaeth]

"Find Group". There's your damn gamble.

[Tastyfish]

I don't see them micro managing state by state by country gambling laws and policing it so no real world currency is involved. Seems too large.

[Grogo]

Blizzard legally cannot implement a gambling feature. That's.. pretty much the long and short of it.

EDIT: I guess I should elaborate. In most MMO's, there is actually a legal distinction between "Items" and "Currency". There are clauses usually indicating which is which. That said, currency, even virtual, usually cannot be used as a gambling medium in many countries (The US in particular).

Online gambling is allowed because there is no cost involved, so the virtual currency has no value. In WoW, the game is paid for, so that covered currency as having an actual balue.

No, I do not think that is the case here. You have to purchase games so that is a cost, there are MMOs doing gambling right now

[chazus]

Are you a lawyer and you writing that stuff or just assuming things? I bet you aren't one or else you wouldn't be a mod for mmo-champion. As an official representative of this forums you shouldn't post answers without facts.

I am in fact not a lawyer.

I am however a computer technician in Las Vegas, have an active Sheriff's Card for operating on gambling systems both local and online, and through certification am legally able to provide consulting services to anyone operating under Caesars Entertainment Corp. and MGM Resorts International. I feel that I'm pretty decently informed on the matter, but I could be wrong, or laws may have changed in the last six months or so, as they sometimes do.

The thing is, WoW is a paid service, and that inherently gives everything in game a non-definitive 'value'. It's more legal value, than actual value. Usually online companies have to disclose what is considered 'currency', and if the service is paid for, anything marked as currency is in turn given 'value'. This is entirely unrelated to what gold is worth to gold sellers. It determines what the company can, and cannot do.

There are ways to get around this, but it's more difficult in the US. It's similar laws like this that make things like CCP Games PLEX system doable (or at least easier to authorize and manage) being that it's based in Reykjavík, Iceland. Sony has similar things, but they also have a much larger leverage to work with. But that's neither here nor there. Just an example.

[chazus]

You're also technically allowed to gamble in the US version so long as you don't advertise in public channels. That means you can form a group of guildees and do /roll gambling to your heart's content. All gambling is prohibited in the EU version.

That's sort of the key there. You CAN, technically, yes. However the public channel thing is where the line is drawn because that would cross the line of Blizzard 'approving' of it.

When it comes to online games, there are certain restrictions and criteria that are followed, and a lot of times it falls under 'best attempt' situations. It may be entirely legal as long as Blizzard pretty much makes it clear that "They tried to prevent it" and "Don't endorse it officially"

[chazus]

Thats the thing, though. Online gambling sites like WSOP can do that because they're registered as exactly that, a gambling site, and must follow rules according to such. Blizzard would have to file paperwork and spend literally millions (or a raid tier) on getting that work done to get it approved. On top of actually getting it approved by shareholders. Which would never happen.

[FuxieDK]

Gambling is illegal in many countries, and Blizzard will be running a risk of WoW being banned in those countries, so,ely because of gambling.. Not worth the risk..

[Deleted]

@OP: Please become older then 15 and realize gambling is not legal everywhere and wow would never get a teen rating with it.

[Polarthief]

@OP: Please become older then 15 and realize gambling is not legal everywhere and wow would never get a teen rating with it.

WoW has alcohol, incredibly suggestive female armor, low-tiered cursing, very heavy themes of war and violence, and some attacks/spells that when you think about it, really can make you sick. Honestly, I'm shocked it didn't hit the M level by now.

@OP: Well screw your idea! I'm gonna go make my OWN casino! With Blackjack... and hookers!

[FuxieDK]

WoW has alcohol, incredibly suggestive female armor, low-tiered cursing, very heavy themes of war and violence, and some attacks/spells that when you think about it, really can make you sick. Honestly, I'm shocked it didn't hit the M level by now.

- No toon can ever be naked.. Thus no american child is ever in danger of eternal trauma from nudity..
- Alcohol (more specific Brewfest) can be avoided due to Muslim QQ, and players can wear goggles that simulates intoxication without drinking.
- Language is handled by adult-filter.

How you would include gambling without a chance of winning, beats me.. Until you can, it can't be included.

@OP: Well screw your idea! I'm gonna go make my OWN casino! With Blackjack... and hookers!

Quote is not accurate..
The correct quote is: Screw it! I'll make my OWN casino with hookers, Blackjack and booze.. and hookers!

[Amerissis]

1. It's a fun gold sink ( and man do we need a fun gold sink)

Do we? We have the BMAH, AH, all fun gold sinks, I don't see why we need more.

2. You kill things in Wow all the time, oh noes but we cannot have gambling!

Irrelevant. Gambling is regulated by law, killing virtual pixels is not.

3. You can hear every vile thing known to man in trade chat, but I guess gambling is too fucking crazy!

Also irrelevant. Ratings and rules are not based on what people may say. Also, two wrongs don't make a right.

4. It would really add another dimension to the game especially during down times (between raids or whatever)

I have a novel idea. During 'down times', you could actually PLAY THE GAME! Or do something else entirely. You're not forced to sit in a major city being bored to hell just because you can.

5. I do believe there would be a general and wide interest in it

I don't. Requests for this are few and far apart. I see more requests for old servers then for gambling.

Once the Debbie-downers have their say here, I think weed that out and really consider how fun this could be.

What is fun about gambling? Especially in another game? Why don't you just gamble on a gambling site? Next you'll ask for a racing game in your MMO. Or a shooter. Flight sim. Anything. I really don't understand why people want everything in WoW. This is WoW! Not a gambling site.

[Hyve]

Chazus is actually right. Many countries have differing Gambling Laws and Rules, and getting the game to fit all of them would be near impossible.

I know for a fact that many Asian Countries, which are a huge part of the WoW Customer Base, have very strict Gambling Laws, and in the past they've actually prevented World of Warcraft launching certain features and content.

I'd like to see something to spend some time at, and a chance to earn a little gold while spending a lot, but it just isn't feasible.