Actually I meant that gold sellers would pay for their subs with gold. But ok. Has there ever been a single thing I said that you didn't chalk up to bullshit? I kind of assume that is how it is... oddly though sometimes you seem very intelligent, and when talking to me just dense as a doorknob. I think it must be me.
Last edited by finskee; 2014-06-23 at 06:38 PM.
That is a, surprisingly, good point however from what I have read in interviews from gold farmers/sellers they tend to avoid interaction with such systems due to the fear of it aiding the game's makers from tracking their movements and associating their multiple accounts and potentially banning them. For these reasons they tend to use game time cards that are purchased from third party vendors.
I don't know how you think they wouldn't GET AWAY with it easier, if they can make totally different accounts, buy time with gold they sent to that account in the mail, maybe even across many multiple accounts (easier to have multiple accounts right?). I mean it just makes it easier for cheaters of all sorts really.
Meanwhile if we were saying wow needs more subs, then we would think, maybe it would be worth it. Like wildstar is trying it. They want subs, they don't care how they get them. But Blizz has their customers for wow, they aren't that bummed by the loss of subs, actually the game gets easier to run as the population goes down, and if they can get money from people from the store, to offset loss of subs, then they don't have to do other things like sell game time for gold.
Look at it like this. If a sports team had poor attendance, say 10000 fans every game, when they can hold 50000 people in the stadium, then they start doing specials and sales and trying to get people in the door. If the sports team is the yankees, they don't want to do that, because they can't fit 40000 more people in the gates every game, they can only fit 50000 total and they already sell out those seats. To make more money they up the price of food, tshirts, hats, etc. They don't have to lower the prices, until they start to lose money. So why would they?
Their ultimate nightmare would be if they had free games, then 1 million people would show up, some of them just to cause trouble, and you have not only a security situation, and it would cost them a lot of money to do this which would not be compensated for at all by the 1 million people in your coliseum, but many of your loyal fans would be angry, you would run out of food, bathrooms would be trashed, etc.
And for you I just wrote the last 2 paragraphs.
Last edited by finskee; 2014-06-23 at 07:04 PM.
Not only that but people can buy gold from gold farmers for cheaper then a monthly sub would cost. Last mail i got from gold sellers in Wildstar they were selling 3 plat for $1. Players selling Credd were selling it for 3 plat so if someone wanted to they could get a month of playtime for a dollar.
give this man a free year!
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I am rooting for wildstar to succeed, if nothing else the competition is good for the industry. And I'm very interested in watching how some of these sub ideas pan out. Will be interesting to watch Wildstar in the next few months to see what happens. It's very interesting that the Credd is already practically worthless, but it may go up again too. What I am willing to admit is, if wildstar's sub ideas end up working, wow will probably adopt them. We shall see. Meanwhile if you actually just enjoy playing wildstar, what a deal, go buy some 1$ months!
Last edited by finskee; 2014-06-23 at 07:40 PM.
The sums involved with gold selling are such that the monthly fee is inconsequential and a single account is viewed as disposable; it is of far more value to avoid exposing the multiple accounts they operate to a potential paper trail by using gold to purchase game time. Gold sellers use multiple accounts all registered to different emails, running through proxies to avoid using the same ip address that are paid for by game time cards that will be purchased from third party vendors with cash, if possible, in an effort to protect their core business.
Are you seriously suggesting that Blizzard are not worried about sub losses and have no desire to increase their customer base?
The main reason for game time not being purchasable with gold is that WOW's economic model would not support it. Unlike EVE you cannot sell every single item, which would destroy the raiding model and thus a major source of player retention, and there are nowhere near as harsh gold sinks.
Yeah we know all that, but a single account is even more disposable if you never ever put a real cent into it. Think about it.
Yes, that is what I'm saying. Let's face it, if they lose all their subs today they will have overshot their original estimate of how much wow would ever make for them by about 2 berzillion percent. Blizzard was looking at ways to move on years ago, and are still ready to go when wow fails. You have to understand that 7 million players is HUGE. WAY HUGE. Everyone says it is less than 11 million, and that is true. But come on. 7 million after 10 years. You have to be insane to actually believe that they NEED any more subs. They just merged half the servers, they aren't acting at all like they want more customers. They seem to be acting like they are very happy with retaining 7 million. At Blizzcon last year they said the sub model for wow was working just fine. I think that says it all.
Oh and also? New expansion coming. Should keep a few people around.
Last edited by finskee; 2014-06-23 at 08:15 PM.
Waaah they wont give me stuff for free.... waaah my socialist upbringing is being challenged....waaaah
Blizzard prices based on demand. As long people are willing to pay them, they will sell. If you'd like, then buy it.
When you see someone in a thread making the same canned responses over and over, click their name, click view forum posts, and see if they are a troll. Then don't feed them."Gamer" is not a bad word. I identify as a gamer. When calling out those who persecute and harass, the word you're looking for is "asshole." @_DonAdams
How many other corporations do you know out there that takes as much advice and criticism from their "customers" and makes changes appropriately? Does Pepsi take customer polls or open forums about every aspect of their product?