Draenei & Blood Elf relations

[Arrashi]

It'd be funny to see Jaina become a racist, distrusting her high elven allies, then dwarves, then gnomes before finally becoming a human supremacist and needing to be put down.

Nope, war crimes already shown blizzard will never make her all out, instead prolonging status quo. She will be "angsty" good guy forever. And let's be honest, if blizzard dare to villainize alliance character, the outcry will be way too massive.

[Deleted]

I don't understand why Human players hate Sylvanas so much, why Blood Elf players hate Jaina so much and why Orc players hate Vol'jin so much.

[Zaelsino]

I don't understand why Human players hate Sylvanas so much, why Blood Elf players hate Jaina so much and why Orc players hate Vol'jin so much.

Isn't it obvious? Sylvanas hates humans and displaced them from Lordaeron; some invested human fans hate Sylvanas. Jaina was mean to blood elves and purged them from Dalaran; some invested blood elf fans hate Jaina. Vol'jin killed a lot of orcs and took the Warchief spot; some invested orc fans hate Vol'jin.

[Deleted]

Isn't it obvious? Sylvanas hates humans and displaced them from Lordaeron; some invested human fans hate Sylvanas. Jaina was mean to blood elves and purged them from Dalaran; some invested blood elf fans hate Jaina. Vol'jin killed a lot of orcs and took the Warchief spot; some invested orc fans hate Vol'jin.

Well Sylvanas has her reasons to hate humans, Jaina has her reasons to hate Blood Elves and Vol'jin has his reason to hate those orcs who sided with Garrosh, and he was chosen as a Warchief by a former (orcish) Warchief.

Also Jaina and Sylvanas are anything but "insane genocidal witches" as some ppl try to portray them. :P

[Koryn123]

I just think Khadgar would have been a way cooler choice for leader of the Kirin Tor. What was Krasus thinking?

Jaina never even officially graduated from her Kirin Tor school, which is why she said she'd rejoin the Kirin Tor as an apprentice.

Hey, let's give control of the city to the girl who left as an apprentice, wants to break our neutrality and destroy the Horde, stole an extremely powerful object from our vaults to do that, and almost killed the guy who held the planet together for the past year! What? You don't think it's a good idea? Well, she said she was sorry, so I'm sure everything will be okay!

Khadgar was awesome. Jaina was a deserter who just suffered some severe mental trauma. She was and still is not fit to lead Dalaran. Next time we see her, she'll probably be all anti-Horde again, with the personality roller coaster that Blizz keeps making her ride. Good pre-Theramore, angry post-Theramore, good pre-5.1, angry post 5.1, good and all for peace again at the end of War Crimes, apparently has a problem with Khadgar working with Horde in WoD.

[Aquamonkey]

The Violet Eye as I understand it is to Dalaran what SI 7 is to Stormwind. They might work with horde when necessary but they're not separate from the Kirin Tor. They might work with the horde when needed but I don't think they'd outright take in horde members. We'll have to see though.

Violet Eye actually does (or at least did) take Horde members. At the end of the Kara quest chain, they offer you a position in the organization.

Unless you accept the responsibility that fate has bestowed upon you, that is.

<Cedric extends an open palm towards you, holding a badge with the Violet Eye's symbol on it.>

What do you say, <name>?

[Koryn123]

I wonder if that's how Aethas ended up in Dalaran? He has green eyes, so must have either consumed Fel magic, or been in Quel'Thalas at the time that Rommath showed up and contaminated other elves with fel crystals.

He could have been Kirin Tor in WC3, joined Belves, gone to Outland, done Karazhan, joined Violet Eye, returned to Dalaran, then was asked by Modera to get Silvermoon's support in the Nexus War.

[Florena]

Violet Eye actually does (or at least did) take Horde members. At the end of the Kara quest chain, they offer you a position in the organization.

Unless you accept the responsibility that fate has bestowed upon you, that is.

<Cedric extends an open palm towards you, holding a badge with the Violet Eye's symbol on it.>

What do you say, <name>?

Eh not sure I'd take player characters joining as canon, we'll have to see what if anything is done with them in WoD, especially in a post Purge of Dalaran world.

[Aeula]

I don't understand why Human players hate Sylvanas so much, why Blood Elf players hate Jaina so much and why Orc players hate Vol'jin so much.

Sylvanas usurped lordaeron, Jaina massacred and mass imprisoned Sin'dorei and vol'jin isn't an Orc and is a horrible warchief, oh and he killed hellscreams orcs.

Edit: oh and sylvanas stole Gilneas, the best city in WoW from alliance players by gassing it so low level undead could use it as a quest hub for 5 minutes.

[Gamespud]

Violet Eye actually does (or at least did) take Horde members. At the end of the Kara quest chain, they offer you a position in the organization.

Unless you accept the responsibility that fate has bestowed upon you, that is.

<Cedric extends an open palm towards you, holding a badge with the Violet Eye's symbol on it.>

What do you say, <name>?

I would imagine not anymore though. One thing I liked in talador was if you pick the arcane sanctum as a horde you get escorted by khadgar to the kirin tor base nearby to get it working. When entering the area a guardian shows up and tells you "Lady Proudmoore has expressly forbidden all horde from entering Kirin Tor grounds." and khadgar just lets him know she can take it up with him. But it suggests that they are very strict on their no horde rules outside of a few individuals like khadgar who are more reasonable.

[Koryn123]

Woah, Arcane Sanctum? What is this witchcraft? For Garrisons??? Is it a real Arcane Sanctum like the Blood Elves have, or some crappy, ugly, orc style mage tower like we've seen with the Garrisons so far?

[Combatbutler]

Woah, Arcane Sanctum? What is this witchcraft? For Garrisons??? Is it a real Arcane Sanctum like the Blood Elves have, or some crappy, ugly, orc style mage tower like we've seen with the Garrisons so far?

No it is not blood elven architecture, it looks similar to the spirit lodge from Wc3.

[Arrashi]

No it is not blood elven architecture, it looks similar to the spirit lodge from Wc3.

Obviously elves became #SAVAGE and reverted to more primal form. Loincloth out boyz !!!!

[Koryn123]

Ugh. So, we have our butt-ugly Orc mage tower (because it makes so much more sense to make a mage building accommodating people who've only known arcane magic for two years rather than those who have been practicing it for 10,000 years), and a tent, to accommodate people who don't know arcane magic at all? This was a chance for Blizzard to remedy the mistake they made in making all buildings in the garrisons Orc and Human, and they just blew it to give us a tent and call it by the same name as something that would be a much better fit an look way more awesome?

Man, it would have been so cool to be able to hang out in a big blood elf building, and in Talador, no less. It would make way more sense for it to be an actual arcane sanctum, since Liadrin and the Sunsworn are hanging around in Talador.

What do the Alliance get for their arcane sanctum?

[Arrashi]

Ugh. So, we have our butt-ugly Orc mage tower (because it makes so much more sense to make a mage building accommodating people who've only known arcane magic for two years rather than those who have been practicing it for 10,000 years), and a tent, to accommodate people who don't know arcane magic at all? This was a chance for Blizzard to remedy the mistake they made in making all buildings in the garrisons Orc and Human, and they just blew it to give us a tent and call it by the same name as something that would be a much better fit an look way more awesome?

Man, it would have been so cool to be able to hang out in a big blood elf building, and in Talador, no less. It would make way more sense for it to be an actual arcane sanctum, since Liadrin and the Sunsworn are hanging around in Talador.

What do the Alliance get for their arcane sanctum?

Actually its possible to explain it. #SAVAGE climate of draenor is slowly turning everyone into orcs, including blood elves. In 6.1 they will hunch. In 6.2 they will grow big teeth and brown skin. And in 6.4 they will go full out lok'tar.

On serious note: I guess blizzard couldn't simply bother with HD version of building that existed since w3.

[Aeula]

I would imagine not anymore though. One thing I liked in talador was if you pick the arcane sanctum as a horde you get escorted by khadgar to the kirin tor base nearby to get it working. When entering the area a guardian shows up and tells you "Lady Proudmoore has expressly forbidden all horde from entering Kirin Tor grounds." and khadgar just lets him know she can take it up with him. But it suggests that they are very strict on their no horde rules outside of a few individuals like khadgar who are more reasonable.

Shame I will miss this, I'm picking the other building :S
But this shows Jaina is still pissy at horde, chances are she's done another 180.

[Florena]

Ugh. So, we have our butt-ugly Orc mage tower (because it makes so much more sense to make a mage building accommodating people who've only known arcane magic for two years rather than those who have been practicing it for 10,000 years), and a tent, to accommodate people who don't know arcane magic at all? This was a chance for Blizzard to remedy the mistake they made in making all buildings in the garrisons Orc and Human, and they just blew it to give us a tent and call it by the same name as something that would be a much better fit an look way more awesome?

Man, it would have been so cool to be able to hang out in a big blood elf building, and in Talador, no less. It would make way more sense for it to be an actual arcane sanctum, since Liadrin and the Sunsworn are hanging around in Talador.

What do the Alliance get for their arcane sanctum?

I agree it sucks, but to play devil's advocate here, they probably went with that instead of a blood elf looking tower in order to ensure that all the buildings look like they belong together aesthetically and thematically. Orc orc orc orc blood elf mage tower orc orc orc would kind of stick out.

[Wildberry]

Vol'jin has his reason to hate those orcs who sided with Garrosh, and he was chosen as a Warchief by a former (orcish) Warchief.

Former Warchief, indeed.

For the record, does Vol'jin really have the right to be angry with the Orcs that sided with Garrosh? I mean, I understand he's got a massive victim-complex, but he did make treasonous threats first.

[Aeula]

Former Warchief, indeed.

For the record, does Vol'jin really have the right to be angry with the Orcs that sided with Garrosh? I mean, I understand he's got a massive victim-complex, but he did make treasonous threats first.

True, makes me wonder what would have happened if Vol'jin never threatened garrosh.

[Wildberry]

True, makes me wonder what would have happened if Vol'jin never threatened garrosh.

No Derpspear rebellion, a stronger link between the Kalimdor Horde races, no paranoid Garrosh, Horde victory in the war.