demon hunters did not end with illidain

[theKarn]

Because the destruction of the Scarlet Crusade by the Lich King took place before TBC.

It doesn't make sense for Demon Hunters to kill anything other than demons. That's their sole reason for existence.

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Its not about old content. Its about the purpose of the DH's existence. DH's don't waste time fighting Naga, the undead, dragons, Mogul, Old Gods, etc. They only want to fight the Legion and demons. A DH in Elwynn forest killing Kobolds or helping a farm boy make a pig pie in Lakeshire makes no sense.

DH need to eat... they are people too.

[Teriz]

Why would a Death Knight, or a Druid, or a Priest?

A Death Knight is trying to regain its humanity after being freed from the Lich King's control. It goes there because its a good soldier/general for their respective faction. In the case of Northrend, they're going to rid the world of their creator and former master. Priests go because they want to heal soldiers, purge the lands of darkness (or bring darkness), and bring the light (or the shadow) to the people there. Druids go to make sure that nature's balance is maintained and to help and protect allies.

Demon Hunters go because........????

[Thimagryn]

Because the destruction of the Scarlet Crusade by the Lich King took place before TBC.

And they were able to skip content by being a Hero class. It makes sense to me to make Demon Hunters skip 1-90, and just participate in WoD content. Hell, you could even have a starting zone on some alternate future dimension where Azeroth loses to the Demons, and the last remaining survivors (trained as Demon Hunters/Slayers) step through a portal to escape, only to find themselves on WoD Draenor. Alternate future would be an interesting way to explain why there are Demon Hunters of different races.

They'd have everything to do with WoD considering the overarching threat isn't the Warlords themselves, but the Demon invasion that would follow.

[diamondjim]

Its not about old content. Its about the purpose of the DH's existence. DH's don't waste time fighting Naga, the undead, dragons, Mogul, Old Gods, etc. They only want to fight the Legion and demons. A DH in Elwynn forest killing Kobolds or helping a farm boy make a pig pie in Lakeshire makes no sense.

Like a monk helping in Elwynn forest killing Kobolds or helping a farm boy make a pig pie in Lakeshire makes no sense.

OR

1-60 The lich king is dead, Illidan is dead, Deathwing is alive and the big bad, warchief Garrosh is in total hitler mode.
58-70 Illidan is Alive and the big bad, The lich king is not around and Deathwing is not around, Garrosh is a little bitch crying about his daddy and just meets thrall
68-80 Illidan is dead, The lich king is alive and the big bad, Deathwing is not around, Garrosh is a commander and not the warchief
80-85 Deathwing is back and the big bad, Illidan is dead, The lich king is dead, warchief Garrosh is not a douche.
85-90 Deathwing is dead, Illidan is dead, The lich king is dead, warchief Garrosh is in total hitler mode a huge douche and the big threat

NOW TELL ME HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT MAKE SENSE

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And by that point, we'll have a DH spec in the Warlock class. We're 75% there already.

No we are not ha, Dh are a melee based class while Warlocks are a caster

[bryroo]

Yea well I was pretty shocked to see we have alot of demon hunters out there still and they want to bring illidan back for a redemption story

There was an official forum post about bringing Illidan back were someone mentioned that Illidan still had a Vial of Eternity on him when he was defeated and they backed it with some strong facts recounting where all of the Vials were except for Illidan's.

After Arthas Illidan is Warcraft's most recognizable character. I have no doubt they'll make Demon Hunters a playable class at some point if only for that reason but damn it could take a while.

[diamondjim]

There was an official forum post about bringing Illidan back were someone mentioned that Illidan still had a Vial of Eternity on him when he was defeated and they backed it with some strong facts recounting where all of the Vials were except for Illidan's.

After Arthas Illidan is Warcraft's most recognizable character. I have no doubt they'll make Demon Hunters a playable class at some point if only for that reason but damn it could take a while.

Yep the said at Blizzcon 2011 they were gonna bring him back for a redemption story but they have to do it right.

Also some think because he is mostly demon now his body went back to the nether

[Thimagryn]

There was an official forum post about bringing Illidan back were someone mentioned that Illidan still had a Vial of Eternity on him when he was defeated and they backed it with some strong facts recounting where all of the Vials were except for Illidan's.

After Arthas Illidan is Warcraft's most recognizable character. I have no doubt they'll make Demon Hunters a playable class at some point if only for that reason but damn it could take a while.

Green Fire quest heavily hints at him still being alive, considering he still has servants protecting the temple. It's just a matter of finding out where he is currently, and what happens to Demons after they 'die'. Even Mal'ganis has come back after numerous 'deaths'.

[Teriz]

Like a monk helping in Elwynn forest killing Kobolds or helping a farm boy make a pig pie in Lakeshire makes no sense.

A Monk traveling around the countryside helping ordinary people is a pretty common trope in fantasy games and martial arts films. It makes perfect sense in WoW.

No we are not ha, Dh are a melee based class while Warlocks are a caster

Enhancement Shaman says hello.

[diamondjim]

A Monk traveling around the countryside helping ordinary people is a pretty common trope in fantasy games and martial arts films. It makes perfect sense in WoW.

NOW TELL ME HOW THE FUCK DOES THIS MAKE SENSE

1-60 The lich king is dead, Illidan is dead, Deathwing is alive and the big bad, warchief Garrosh is in total hitler mode.
58-70 Illidan is Alive and the big bad, The lich king is not around and Deathwing is not around, Garrosh is a little bitch crying about his daddy and just meets thrall
68-80 Illidan is dead, The lich king is alive and the big bad, Deathwing is not around, Garrosh is a commander and not the warchief
80-85 Deathwing is back and the big bad, Illidan is dead, The lich king is dead, warchief Garrosh is not a douche.
85-90 Deathwing is dead, Illidan is dead, The lich king is dead, warchief Garrosh is in total hitler mode a huge douche and the big threat

Logic has little to do with wow

Enhancement Shaman says hello.

They are Melee not casters.

[Teriz]

NOW TELL ME HOW THE FUCK DOES THIS MAKE SENSE


Logic has little to do with wow

The chronology of WoW isn't the point. The point is that a Demon Hunter is only going to be hunting demons. They aren't going to be joining adventurers on quests that don't help their goal- Killing more demons. Mists of Pandaria for example had nothing to do with demons. Why would a Demon Hunter be a participant in those raids? The very purpose behind the concept doesn't work for WoW classes.

Then there's the problem of weaponry, armor, racials, name, abilities in other classes, etc.

They are Melee not casters.

Shaman are casters. They still have a melee spec. If Shaman can do it, Warlocks can too.

[diamondjim]

The chronology of WoW isn't the point. The point is that a Demon Hunter is only going to be hunting demons. They aren't going to be joining adventurers on quests that don't help their goal- Killing more demons. Mists of Pandaria for example had nothing to do with demons. Why would a Demon Hunter be a participant in those raids? The very purpose behind the concept doesn't work for WoW classes.

Then there's the problem of weaponry, armor, racials, name, abilities in other classes, etc.




Shaman are casters. They still have a melee spec. If Shaman can do it, Warlocks can too.

oh right because blizzard could not make it work or think on how to make it work because lead developer Teriz says so

[Realsykes]

Oh really? Metamorphosis was giving to warlocks in WOTLK pre patch but they added more Demon hunters to Felwood, Blasted lands and Darkshore in Cata



You're opinion nothing more.

Implying it's a possibility is also your opinion. Pro tip, don't ever get after someone about the idea of their opinion is an opinion when discussing theoreticals.

[openair]

Its not about old content. Its about the purpose of the DH's existence. DH's don't waste time fighting Naga, the undead, dragons, Mogul, Old Gods, etc. They only want to fight the Legion and demons. A DH in Elwynn forest killing Kobolds or helping a farm boy make a pig pie in Lakeshire makes no sense.

Maybe the DH is worried those non demons, if they continue their own evil unchecked, will eventually summon or join forces with the legion or other demons. Demons were brought by orcs in the past, why not naga, undead or mogul in the future?

No one can predict the future. Maybe DH's help make a pig pie to lessen the chance the person they helped will fall to future temptation's of the legion. Or maybe they know they're aren't as tuff as you think, can't take on the entire legion by themselves, and help other's defeat their enemies so a united defense against a mass demon invasion will be easier to arrange.

[Teriz]

oh right because blizzard could not make it work or think on how to make it work because lead developer Teriz says so

They can make it work very easily; Create a Warlock subspec based on the Demon Hunter.

1. Warlocks already can use swords.
2. Warlocks already have Metamorphosis, Demonic Fury, Dark Apotheosis, Curses, Shadowfury, Immolation, and various demonic/DH abilities.
3. Illidan is already strongly connected lorewise to the Warlock class.

Problem solved.

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Probably because they redid all the old quests, and needed some interesting new ones.

BTW, that DH in Darkshore is a ghost. You won't find living Demon Hunters outside of demon-controlled areas. Hence, there can't be a DH class since a class would need to travel all over the map. Why would a DH be in Pandaria or Northrend for example?



An opinion backed by facts. We already have a demonic class that hunts demons, and uses their powers against the Legion.

By that logic, we should get rid of Priests because we already have a holy class that also serves the Light (Paladins).

[Thimagryn]

Then you'd have to address the Night Elf situation, the inclusion of Agi-Cloth gear from 1-100+, Warlocks rolling on Agi swords and giving them a full melee kit. Even then they would be using Curses and Demon pets to deal damage, not exactly 'Demon Hunter' gameplay. One major point is a Demon Hunter spec wouldn't have Metamorphosis either, since that's Demonology Warlock gameplay. That in itself is a roadblock, considering no spec-unique mechanic is shared with any other spec.

We could have a Warrior with Unholy spec to represent Death Knights since they wear plate and had a DK-themed tier set. It still doesn't make sense for a DK to use Battle Shouts and Berserker Stance.

[Teriz]

By that logic, we should get rid of Priests because we already have a holy class that also serves the Light (Paladins).

Paladins don't use psionic-based shadow magic. Priests do.

[Thimagryn]

Paladins don't use psionic-based shadow magic. Priests do.

But your logic is saying we don't need Priests because we have a Holy class that serves the Light. That means those shadow themes could easily be given to Death Knights (who already have Vampiric/Disease/Death spells) and Warlocks (who already have Fear mechanics). By your logic, the entire class is an unnecessary overlap.

Your argument insists that we don't need a class if another existing class can pick up the slack. That's why you say we don't need Demon Hunters, because Warlocks already do most of what a DH could do. Even if Warlocks aren't melee-specialists, they could be changed to become that. You're opening the case that Warlocks could embody psychic elements such as pain, fear and despair, which are already a part of Affliction. So why have a Priest when we can heal with Holy Light with Paladins and cause Fear and Pain with shadow magic through Warlocks?

[Teriz]

Then you'd have to address the Night Elf situation,

Let NEs be Warlocks.

the inclusion of Agi-Cloth gear from 1-100+,

WoD armor changes. Or just keep them INT.

Warlocks rolling on Agi swords and giving them a full melee kit.

See above. As for full melee kit, Enhancement Shaman only have 2 melee abilities. Warlocks already have Demon Slash. They'll just need 1 more.

Even then they would be using Curses and Demon pets to deal damage, not exactly 'Demon Hunter' gameplay.

DHs use curses and demonic pets in WoW.

One major point is a Demon Hunter spec wouldn't have Metamorphosis either, since that's Demonology Warlock gameplay. That in itself is a roadblock, considering no spec-unique mechanic is shared with any other spec.

Make it a subspec within Demonology, ala Crane Stance in MW Monks.

We could have a Warrior with Unholy spec to represent Death Knights since they wear plate and had a DK-themed tier set. It still doesn't make sense for a DK to use Battle Shouts and Berserker Stance.

Bad comparison. Warriors don't have undead theme or any of the DK's abilities. Warlocks already have a demon theme and the majority of the available DH's abilities.

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Well Teriz seems to think so

don't take Teriz so serious.