Burwell v. Hobby Lobby Stores, Inc. Ruling

[Orlong]

How dare they pass a vote on a law that had been in deliberation and debate for months so it could be passed by the same people who wrote and contributed to it.

Because they couldnt do it the way a bill is supposed to be passed. They didnt have the support for it. They wouldnt allow Scott Brown to be seated because his vote would stop it, and secondly, the ACA wasnt a budget bill so it didnt qualifiy to be passed through using reconciliation, and lastly It was a spending bill, and all Spending bills must originate in the House, and they simply passed the law that was written in the Senate.

[Felya]

That's the only purpose it has ever had, despite any wanton lying done about it by its proponents at the time. Trojan horse to single payer. But that was all contingent on main street blaming the insurers, and so far it's failing to quickly for the blame not to land exactly where it belongs, on the government.

Medicare is your Trojan horse...

[Orlong]

No, I mean, how much can I claim is part of my creed to avoid the involuntary taxes?

Thats not for me to decide. Thats up to the SCOTUS

[Masark]

There is an implant men can get called Vas-occlusive contraception. They basically plug the the vas deferens with an intra vas device (IVD) (also not usually covered by insurance)

I believe it's also not on the market. AFAIK, it's still in clinical trials.

What hollow rhetoric? Nobody's been able to provide where in the bible contraception is against the faith. It's a modern invention coupled with ACA temper tantrums.

Some random rambling from celibate old men in Rome. Any Rome.

[Stormdash]

Medicare is your Trojan horse...

Been a bad year for the credibility of single-payer systems for the American body politic, between Obamacare sticker shock and the VA.

[Al Gorefiend]

Yeah, people just need to move from the unsafe side, to the safe side and all problems solved.

There isn't enough land, jobs, roads or tolerance for everyone from Detroit to come over to my side of the block. I live upper class, so I'm biased on whatever concern it is you're discussing.

[Zython]

Most companies I've ever worked for, you pick what your money is invested in.



That would really depend on the religion in play, wouldn't it?



Not sure how that ties into healthcare.



I have no idea. Regardless, they would have to litigate to find out.



If the Supreme Court's ruling was "Fuck it, claim whatever you want and we'll give you a pass," you'd be right. Instead, they handed down as narrow a ruling as you can while having it affect anything.

You're right, they did hand down a narrow ruling. And in doing so, codified that religious exemptions only apply to mainstream Christianity. That...doesn't seem a whole lot better to me.

[Captain N]

They always use these corny responses with these cases as if all the unwanted pregnancies are the fault or result of rape and broken condoms. It's always someone or something else's fault. never mine own. and never the woman's.

Just lobby the companies that make ru486 or whatever it is and have them sell it for cheap. then you can have everything you want. Your own lack of responsibility and something to take it away. cheap too.

That's a double edged sword. Just like Car Insurance is there just in case you get into an accident be in your fault or someone elses so should the ability to have easy access to birth control.

[Stormdash]

You're right, they did hand down a narrow ruling. And in doing so, codified that religious exemptions only apply to mainstream Christianity. That...doesn't seem a whole lot better to me.

They codified no such thing, that's brazen demagoguery. They limited their rulings to the set of facts in front of them which is, by and large, what they ought to be doing. Do you have any particular reason to think they wouldn't have ruled the same if, I dunno, a Michelle Obama-inspired HHS regulation compelled workers to provide on the job dining options including pork, were challenged by CAIR? Any rational reason that is? The Court's message wasn't "no" to anyone else's religious beliefs it was "we'll cross that bridge".

[Adam Jensen]

3/4 of those things are for your health benefit. If you don't want to have a baby that isn't a healthcare concern.

It is though.

Contraception: A few hundred-to a thousand dollars a year of healthcare.
Welfare child: A few hundred thousand dollars a year of healthcare.

Which would you rather pay?

Sure its better if they just don't have sex, but abstinence programs are proven to not work.

[Annoying]

Reading the entire pdf from the SCOTUS.

The most straightforward way of doing this would be for the Government to assume the cost of providing the four contraceptives at issue to any women who are unable to obtain them under their health-insurance policies due to their employers’ religious objections. This would certainly be less restrictive of the plaintiffs’ religious liberty

So, the major conservative of the SCOTUS just said that the least restrictive course was for the government to provide them. And then while we're at it, why not roll up the rest of medical coverage into it. Do it, Obama. Call it "Scalia-Care".

[Cthulhu 2020]

That's the only purpose it has ever had, despite any wanton lying done about it by its proponents at the time. Trojan horse to single payer. But that was all contingent on main street blaming the insurers, and so far it's failing to quickly for the blame not to land exactly where it belongs, on the government.

You mean when insurers could have kept all those policies, but they deliberately changed those plans explicitly to get them to drop? Or when Obama gave them the opportunity to reinstate dropped plans and SURPRISE SURPRISE none of them did?

Unless their lawyers were COMPLETELY incompetent, the insurance companies knew EXACTLY what they were doing.

[Caliph]

They're hypocrites when Viagra and vasectomies are still covered.

And anyways, why can't they offer birth control in their healthcare plans, and trust that their employees are in line with their beliefs. If the employees have the same beliefs as Hobby Lobby, then no one would actually get contraceptives right? Everyone wins in the end.

Viagra is a really good medicine for treating pulmonary hypertension with the added benefit of nice hard long erections. So there's no real reason to not cover viagra.

Vasectomies are a surgical procedure covered in part. They cover tubal ligation for women as well.

If you're going to talk about something at least tell the truth about it. This isn't some nefarious agenda at work here. People who hold their own company can't be forced by obama to do something they don't like. In america the govt can't force you to do something involuntarily like that.

stop whining and lying about it. It's a small percentage of the nation.

[Annoying]

There is an implant men can get called Vas-occlusive contraception. They basically plug the the vas deferens with an intra vas device (IVD) (also not usually covered by insurance)

VasalGel. Still in pre-clinical trials, unfortunately.

[Caliph]

That's a double edged sword. Just like Car Insurance is there just in case you get into an accident be in your fault or someone elses so should the ability to have easy access to birth control.

What?

You want birth control pay for it. no one is saying you can't. isn't that easy enough for you.

sorry you lost and it's a great day for america. still for a little more any way land of the free.

[Captain N]

What?

You want birth control pay for it. no one is saying you can't. isn't that easy enough for you.

sorry you lost and it's a great day for america. still for a little more any way land of the free.

Personally it's a sad day for America if this is the precedent that can be set by a Corporation....I don't doubt other companies are already seeking loopholes in which they can get out of covering any type of medication due to religious infringements.

[Stormdash]

Reading the entire pdf from the SCOTUS.

So, the major conservative of the SCOTUS just said that the least restrictive course was for the government to provide them. And then while we're at it, why not roll up the rest of medical coverage into it. Do it, Obama. Call it "Scalia-Care".

You realize he can't even remotely do that on his own, right? Not without declaring autocratic dictatorship, at least?

[Annoying]

People who hold their own company can't be forced by obama to do something they don't like. In america the govt can't force you to do something involuntarily like that.

stop whining and lying abot it. It's a small percentage of the nation.

What? Sure they can. They're not allowed to deny applicants based on race or sex, even if they're massively racist. As for the second part, the companies covered under this ruling employ 52% of the nation's workers. That's ~25% of the workforce, not a "small percentage".

You realize he can't even remotely do that on his own, right? Not without declaring autocratic dictatorship, at least?

I was being facetious. Not that it's a bad idea in theory.

What?

You want birth control pay for it. no one is saying you can't. isn't that easy enough for you.

sorry you lost and it's a great day for america. still for a little more any way land of the free.

Land of the free!*

*if you have money or own a business.

[Belize]

What?

You want birth control pay for it. no one is saying you can't. isn't that easy enough for you.

sorry you lost and it's a great day for america. still for a little more any way land of the free.

So by taking his analogy and applying it to your logic, if you want your car to be fixed after an accident, pay for it?

[Reeve]

This is funny, regardless of what side you're on, though!

Hah, that is hilarious. Someone over at Reuters is gonna get their ear pissed in by their boss.