is it me or do WoD Ogres look like white orcs

[Immitis]

What the hell? Like.. a week or so ago? Or a few days, someone else asked if Ettins would be on Draenor to show that they were a part of the family, but then one of the lore guys said that Brann was wrong about his theories, and that the Ettin wasn't a part of it. Now I don't get it anymore. O_o

brann said ettin were descendants of ogres just like the orcs. he couldve been wrong about them being from ogres but they could still be part of the same lineage. maybe they evolved from one of the new members of the family we find in warlords

[Yarathir]

brann said ettin were descendants of ogres just like the orcs. he couldve been wrong about them being from ogres but they could still be part of the same lineage. maybe they evolved from one of the new members of the family we find in warlords

Ahh. That could be true. But they were still too vague then, imo. Also, then why no Ettins on Draenor? It's odd.

[Immitis]

still the fact that there is no ettin at all in warlords makes it seem like they forgot about them. which to be honest i dont care that much about ettins. they never seemed to fit anyways, never saw them, horde never used them. and because of their size it wasnt like we wouldve missed them but were just supposed to act like theyve been here for years.

[Soulwind]

its not recent. its from the old warcraft magazine the same place they confirmed night elves were dark trolls mutated by the well of eternity.

Well, then, if this is your source: http://www.scrollsoflore.com/forums/...308#post329308

Then I have yet to see where did anyone say orcs are related Earth Giants, gronn or ogres.

[Immitis]

"In World of Warcraft: The Magazine Issue 5, Brann Bronzebeard says that enough fossils point to them evolving from ogres, but he suspects there might be a "missing link". Any fossil evidence was likely lost when Draenor was torn apart."

fossils imply they lived on draenor. guess they are retconning their retcon or ettin are there we just "dont see them" maybe ettin are ninjas or there is some secret ettin village under some cave we never find or some dumb excuse like that :P

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Well, then, if this is your source: http://www.scrollsoflore.com/forums/...308#post329308

Then I have yet to see where did anyone say orcs are related to the Earth Giants.

i really dont feel like digging through shit thats years old at this point just because you dont believe me.

[Yarathir]

still the fact that there is no ettin at all in warlords makes it seem like they forgot about them. which to be honest i dont care that much about ettins. they never seemed to fit anyways, never saw them, horde never used them. and because of their size it wasnt like we wouldve missed them but were just supposed to act like theyve been here for years.

I don't really like Ettins, but I do care about consistency and evolutionary ties. They could easily just throw some Ettins as a few mobs in the WoD zones, and that'll be enough.

[Donald Hellscream]

The orcs did descend from the ogres so similarities between the two aren't that odd.

[Soulwind]

i really dont feel like digging through shit thats years old at this point just because you dont believe me.

It's not that I don't believe you, I can see how those big hulking monsters can be related, but I can't find anything about it besides people throwing it around as a neat idea. And I can see this rumor being proven false in WoD and people yelling the word 'retcon'.

Besides, I enjoy learning about lore, and you guys said something I didn't know, that's why it caught my interest.

EDIT: Here, I found the info about Brann's notes in WoWpedia: http://wowpedia.org/Race_origins#Evo...Ogres_and_Orcs

[ravenmoon]

"In World of Warcraft: The Magazine Issue 5, Brann Bronzebeard says that enough fossils point to them evolving from ogres, but he suspects there might be a "missing link". Any fossil evidence was likely lost when Draenor was torn apart."

fossils imply they lived on draenor. guess they are retconning their retcon or ettin are there we just "dont see them" maybe ettin are ninjas or there is some secret ettin village under some cave we never find or some dumb excuse like that :P

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i really dont feel like digging through shit thats years old at this point just because you dont believe me.

hey i sometimes get confused whehter people are talking from an in-game perspective or from a real life perspective. you can't take what any in-game character says as fact unless they write the story in a way that makes it clear what the in-game character is saying is what actually went on, otehrwise you assume they are talking to the best of their knoweldge, which would mean as far as they know, if they're not just out right lying. whatever blizzard reveals in lore conventions or pubslihed narratives are essentially the fact of what happens for real if they state it boldly.

otehrwise any other source that is coming from i-game character is subject to toc hange. Sometimes they change their published stuff and we call it ret-con, they can do that, and the burden is on them to prove otehrwise.

[Deleted]

It goes like this: Earth Giant/Grom/Colossi -> Fomor -> Gronn -> Ogron -> Ogre -> Orc -> Gnome

Fix'd it for u.