Remember the teens who killed an endangered tortoise and laughed?

[Kio]

I believe the punishment should fit the crime, as such since they've tortured and killed a endangered species they should intern have done to them what they have done to the animal as they have no remorse for their actions.

I guess it's a good thing this isn't the middle-ages and we've evolved into a civilized community. You're just as barbaric as these women. Congrats.

[PACOX]

I believe the punishment should fit the crime, as such since they've tortured and killed a endangered species they should intern have done to them what they have done to the animal as they have no remorse for their actions.

And where the line that we should? Say I blew up an ant hill, do I deserve to be blown up? If a 9 year old kills a bird with a BB gun do we send that kid to the firing squad? If a kid pushes a lizard into a pool resulting in the drowning of said lizard because the lizard was sitting too close to the edge does the kid deserve to be drowned?

I'm really curious about the limitations here.

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I guess it's a good thing this isn't the middle-ages and we've evolved into a civilized community. You're just as barbaric as these women. Congrats.

Wrong, barbarians wouldn't burn you at the stake for killing a turtle.

[Pool of the Dead]

While torturing animals is pretty off, It sickens me more the people that spout bullshit like "ZOMG THEY HURT AN ANIMAL KILL THEM!!!" those kind of people scare me more than the people hurting the animals.

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While torturing animals is pretty off, It sickens me more the people that spout bullshit like "ZOMG THEY HURT AN ANIMAL KILL THEM!!!" those kind of people scare me more than the people hurting the animals.

The difference is: Thinking <-> doing.
While it's one thing to say something on the internet, it's a completely different thing to actually do something (in this case torture a helpless living being).

[Souichirou]

And where the line that we should? Say I blew up an ant hill, do I deserve to be blown up? If a 9 year old kills a bird with a BB gun do we send that kid to the firing squad? If a kid pushes a lizard into a pool resulting in the drowning of said lizard because the lizard was sitting too close to the edge does the kid deserve to be drowned?

I'm really curious about the limitations here.

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Wrong, barbarians wouldn't burn you at the stake for killing a turtle.

I can see the reason for curiosity, But your examples are clearly not the same as the one in question firstly ant hills can be pests especially to home owners, a child of 9 years old doesn't truly have a grasp for what life is, If say a 15 year old starts just killing eagles with a .22 rifle just for laughs he should be punished according to his actions. Secondly the lizard thing the kid could have been scared of it and pushed it to get it away from himself who's to truly know why he did such a thing. Investigations are for that VERY reason to see why things happened they way they did.

I'm not saying just start brutally returning the favor what people do, But have punishments that actually fit the crime IF they show remorse for their actions. An example would be in this case IF they truly shown remorse for what they have done they are forced to devote their lives to the animals and working with them, but since they show no remorse they should both be punished as adults and jailed and fined accordingly.

In these cases with under aged people doing horrible crimes the law system has a LOT of leniency during the prosecution.

[pateuvasiliu]

That's a tad too far...

They're obviously psychopaths.

Not saying kill them, but they should be put in a mental ward for a long while.

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They're obviously psychopaths.

Not saying kill them, but they should be put in a mental ward for a long while.

Killing one animal hardly makes them psychopaths. Might be kinda hard and even illegal(in some places) to put sane people in mental ward.

Just fine them and thats it.

[Paranoid Android]

Cruelty to animals is one of the first signs of sociopathic behavior. Might have just pre-empted a future serial killer.

I said this in post about the cat in the microwave or whatever it was. Need to lock these kids up because they are our future serial killers.

[pateuvasiliu]

Killing one animal hardly makes them psychopaths.

Psychopathy (/saɪˈkɒpəθi/) (or sociopathy /ˈsoʊsiəˌpæθi/) is traditionally defined as a personality disorder characterized by enduring antisocial behavior, diminished empathy and remorse,

Dunno, seems pretty correct from here.

[Deleted]

Dunno, seems pretty correct from here.

No, it doesn't.

I said this in post about the cat in the microwave or whatever it was. Need to lock these kids up because they are our future serial killers.

They're not future serial killers just because they kill an animal.

[Aspect of Death]

They're not future serial killers just because they kill an animal.

There is a clear diffrence between "killing an animal", and torturing (In this case, set it on fire + more, while have fun doing so) though blue eyes.

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There is a clear diffrence between "killing an animal", and torturing (In this case, set it on fire + more, while have fun doing so) though blue eyes.

Exactly. Torturing animals clearly shows a lack of empathy - and at least warrants keeping a watching brief over them.

But this thread and a lot of responses don't really surprise me. If someone hurts a human, they should burn in hell; but if someone tortures an animal, it's not so bad at all. Right, Mooneye?

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I think we need to be rational here. I understand why people say they should suffer the same in return, but imagine being the one asked to set them on fire and smash their brains. Normal people might revel in revenge fantasies, but when faced with the option to do something which runs counter to their humanity, they shrink from it. And that's perfectly okay, because when you become incapable of feeling empathy and mercy, you become sub-human like the ones you seek to punish.

That said, the punishment needs to be severe enough to dissuade them from repeating or escalating their crime, and it needs to be accompanied by professional help. There are plenty of sociopaths who are aware of their condition and who can keep it under control thanks to the coping strategies they were taught. They might not be anyone's favorite colleagues and they might not always try hard enough, but they stop short of doing vile, despicable, and/or criminal things. There's hope, and especially for young people who are still pliable and who can change with patience and guidance.

[eja216]

Dunno, seems pretty correct from here.

You neglected to bold the "enduring" aspect of your quote to rebut Whiskymon, which would have made you wrong.

[shise]

I certainly don't think an animal's life is as valuable as most human lives,

Why? What makes you better than an animal?

Because of the fact that you can speak and live in a system?

[ItachiZaku]

That's a tad too far...

Yeah, a bit. On the flip side, who else is there to look out for the turtle?

On one hand, we are just another animal in the jungle, so who really gives a fuck what we do to those lower on the food chain? The other hand says given out inflated egos and ability to reason, it is our responsibility to look out for those who can't look out for themselves.

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A 16 year old knows better. Mike Vick knew better.

[Deleted]

Exactly. Torturing animals clearly shows a lack of empathy - and at least warrants keeping a watching brief over them.

But this thread and a lot of responses don't really surprise me. If someone hurts a human, they should burn in hell; but if someone tortures an animal, it's not so bad at all. Right, Mooneye?

Yes. A human is far more valuable in any way. Not that torturing animals is right, its not, but its not as big deal as killing/torturing human is. Regrettable but thats it.

Clearly shows zero proofs if they have empathy or not.

[Pony Soldier]

Instead of jail, I think I would put these little shits in boot camp. Jail isn't going to do anything. They're going to sit there for a couple years get out and continue being a bunch of low life losers. Put them in boot camp and see how they act when they get out.

[Deleted]

Exactly. Torturing animals clearly shows a lack of empathy - and at least warrants keeping a watching brief over them.

But this thread and a lot of responses don't really surprise me. If someone hurts a human, they should burn in hell; but if someone tortures an animal, it's not so bad at all. Right, Mooneye?

Hurting an animal is nothing compared to doing so to a human.

[Darsithis]

There isn't really anything to discuss, there never was in a case like this and the sheer number of "kill them" posts make this thread a sickening read. It's not really appropriate here.

Closing.